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[Nancy]

[rd]

My bad, Nancy, I thought that picture was of open trunk, but it's foot area of drivers seat. Thanks for straightening me out on that.

The brownish on trunk looks like rust, doesn't it? That was my first thought, but I knew it couldn't be. Look closer and you will see that those are reflections of tree limb leaves. Take a look at picture above the car hood, it's a street view image. You can see one of those types of trees there at corner of building right beyond the pool where her car was parked. At least a tree like that in the area.

Speaking of which, I scrolled through several pages looking for some images. I need your help and insight offline. Email is quicker, but PM's or in our discussion forum below. My email is ralph@ee.net

thanks Nancy.

P.S. I just archived all your images in Jennifer Kesse Archives/Nancy Images

[Nancy]

Okay, here I sit wasting more time on this case, but I hope they find Jennifer someday. I really do.

Regarding the eyewitness--in the podcast, she says she remembers the day clearly because it was the day her husband's radiation treatments began and they were on their way to the hospital for an 8:30 am appointment. (This would have been easy for LE to confirm in 2006).

She says she noticed it was a 4-door vehicle. That would take some serious swerving for her to see, IMO.

It's pretty rehearsed. She's obviously been all over the internet. Oh, she and her daughter even share the Kesse sex-trafficking theory.

Here is a link directly to the witness portion of the podcast: Fox News Investigates: House of Broken Dreams, The Jennifer Kesse Story. This particular portion is only about 16-minutes long. The whole podcast is professionally done and easy to listen to. Very well organized. There are even good sound effects. LOL

https://omny.fm/shows/derby-city-betrayal/a-witness-speaks-s2-e5

Below is a screen capture from Google maps, showing the location:

[Nancy]

This is one of those little details that snuck up on me and bothered me until I noticed it. :)

The explanation could be as simple as a typo or me not understanding correctly.

Anyway, here it is. See what you think:



This is a snip from Page 24 (see page 27 of your thread for full pageview). Notice it says Jennifer's car had gone through the toll at 0616 going to work.

Would you agree that means 6:16 am?

That is much earlier than has ever been indicated before. If she only left Fort Lauderdale around 6 am, she couldn't have been at that particular toll on the East/West Expressway in Orlando at 6:16 am. (It's firmly a 3-hour plus drive according to Google).

The return time of 1816 or 6:16 pm at least corresponds to what we have always been told. Also, notice it's exactly 12 hours. Is that strange?

Could the toll booth record the time inaccurately?

[rd]

12 hours exactly, yes. And consequently 18:16 just happens to be 6:16 PM. They're saying 6:16 AM but that has to be wrong and an erroneous police report restatement of the evening toll time, otherwise Jennifer drove from Ft. Lauderdale in the middle of the night, 3 am or so. And Kesse's / bf didn't say that at all.

That's a detail Drew / his investigator should be able to clarify, as they would have the original Florida state toll records given to OPD.

Of course they don't clarify / publish anything, and if they do they act like they didn't, or say it was wrong, or say it doesn't matter, so I guess it doesn't matter. per Kesses.

Yes, I might be growing a little cynical after all these years. I'm still disgruntled about the cell phone crap he pulled. My bad.

When I saw the picture above my first thought was, did she get a picture of the car driving erratically? And then I thought is that a staged picture of the car driving erratically? And then I saw Street View, and thought that's an interesting random scene.

I was inclined not to impugn a witness's report or intent, but all bets are off for an involved person in conspiracies to come up with this some years later and "remember" why it was that exact day.

I have spent some time posting in Chandra Levy case about witnesses "remembering" seeing something two or three years later on an exact date. In that case secretly coached by DC Police but the concept remains the same.

[Markybug]

Well it’s strange isn’t it , a lot seemingly happening information wise this year but it’s all (mostly) old news?

As mentioned, i thought the detectives at the start of the case kept zero notes ? But we have all this information that has been there for years , the car been driven erratically, the marks on the bonnet and floor mat , foot print on pedal , chino etc.

Who knows what to think or believe now ?

What was the consensus if any on the poi height? As chino is not short and that would rule him out according to LE and the FBI ?

Regarding Chino , am i correct that he is one of the individuals who claimed jenn told him to lock up her apartment as she couldn’t wait ? Which her father says is a complete lie?

Apologies if this has been mentioned before , as said it’s hard to follow this case sometimes!

[Nancy]

[Markybug]

Chino “lying “ about locking up jenns apartment is a sticking point for me , can’t think why he would lie about this , or even bring it up!?

Everything about the complex ( if true) makes it seem a sketchy place to live , the dead dogs thing is disturbing to say the least. As you say why didn’t jenn mention these things and others to her family ?

[Nancy]

[rd]

Some interesting questions and comments, Marky and Nancy.

Since I'm down here in Florida with some similar history, I'll shed some personal insight. I sold my house and moved down here in early 2005 for work, which I'm still working at. Turns out that was an interesting time. I went around looking for an apartment and found that many apartment complexes I was interested in were no longer apartments, they were being converted to condos, just as the Mosaic was.

It turned out to be part of the real estate meltdown, part of the 2008 crash. It was a money grab. But Jennifer was happy, proud even, of making her first residence purchase in a nice, high profile area of the mall.

I got an apartment, which I still live in, in a similar complex, gated and typical layout and amenities. Is there any crime? Sure. We get a notice every once in awhile that there's been some car break ins or even very rarely an indication something missing from an apartment, that sort of stuff. The main road a few blocks away will have complaints about crime and homeless if you look for it.

But the Mosaic and even Huntington on the Green described as high crime areas just cracks me up. Has anyone ever seen a high crime area? It certainly doesn't look like the gentile suburbs of Orlando. Sure, we all need security, preferably gated, with patrols and surveillance cameras. There are basically people who steal for a living, and Florida attracts more than our share. But high crime? If that is high crime area, what do you call high crime areas? War zones? Okay, I'll concede that point.

Reminds me of work I did on the Chandra Levy case. I walked the streets in DC and around some of those intersections that are called high crime areas. Every time there's a crime people start talking about a high crime area. Chandra was said to live in a crime area on DuPont Circle. And you get details of these crimes and it's like petty stuff.

Yeah, in the past once in Columbus I had my car window smashed, stuff stolen, and my wallet found miles away thrown to the side of the road (which was better than losing it). It's an unpleasant experience, but high crime?

I'm quite sure any area like that is going to be called high crime area because there are people and a bunch of people are criminals. But outside of some small village or rural area where strangers are watched with suspicion, I'm at a loss at how anything is not a high crime area. But those quiet roads in Orlando in front of the Mosaic and Huntington on the Green and the downtown DC streets I walked, even very late at night, are most definitely not anything that could be called high crime.

Back to the conversion of Mosaic to condos, in my opinion illegals or people otherwise flying under the radar for work, have a lot to lose if they get in trouble. It's the people not willing to work that you want to keep an eye on. Plus when you have a crew working together, they know when someone is missing.

This isn't the Mafia of various nationalities we're talking about, or gangs of illegals, these are working people. And they lose their livelihood when one of their own brings law enforcement down on them. So this is the opposite of crime gangs.

To sum up, if the Mosaic was housing with a crime gang, that is a high crime area, and Jennifer wouldn't have been living there.

[Nancy]

I agree with your overall summation and appreciate your insight.

[rd]

Some good questions. She moved from Ocoee, where she worked, to a fair commute away for some reason. Condos, especially apartments being converted to condos, were everywhere at the time.

1 - I expect that first units of an apartment complex being converted to condos would have lower than market pricing to attract buyers in the midst of conversion construction. This also gives the complex owner selling statistics for prospective buyers, as in they're selling out already, etc. However, it was a very common situation at the time and not something you'd have to travel far to find.

2 - What was in the Millenia Mall area to choose that area to commute to work from? We saw some information about an ex-bf who she spent some time with at a bar / restaraunt in the nearby mall. No matter what the timing of the breakup with ex and taking up with the bf in south Florida, I would expect she was familiar with the mall area and perhaps liked it.

She possibly chose that location to buy while still dating or emotionally attached to the prior bf. And it turns out as I understand it from posts the night that communications ended that the ex was just a short distance away in that mall bar which to me makes the choice of the Mosaic to buy not that random.

3 - Jennifer may have wanted to get out of the Ocoee area to buy a home. Was there someone making her uncomfortable there and she felt safer close to where she hung out with bf / ex?

[Nancy]

Ah, this turned out to be a walk down memory lane. :)

What stood out quickly for me was Jenn seemed to like living in proximity to a favorite drinking establishment.

I have 6409 Raleigh St, Orlando, FL as an address for the Florida Tap Room, (home to the last known location of Tracy Ocasio) and I believe Jennifer lived at Amara At MetroWest Apts prior to moving to the Mosaic. I think she simply had to walk through a parking lot or something to get to the Tap Room--it was very close. (Both locations are near the Ocoee/Orlando boundary).

According to Google maps, it would take Jennifer about 7-minutes longer to drive to her workplace from the Mosaic.

The Tap Room, from my understanding, is a sports bar while the Blue Martini (where an ex was hanging out on the 23rd) was a tiki bar. She met Rob at a different tiki bar, and she had drinks with a female friend (possibly) on Wednesday before she left for St. Croix at yet another tiki bar.

So it may be safe to say that her tastes were changing in favor of tiki bars. And the Mosaic was within walking distance of a very popular one in 2005/2006.

Whether or not it's pertinent to her disappearance, it is interesting to note. I don't think I ever looked at it in this light before.

Another thing about the Mosaic location that possibly interested Jenn was its nearness to Windermere--a 20-minute drive. Coincidently, the big boss of Westgate, the same guy who twice put up the $1,000,000.00 reward for info leading to the return of an "alive" Jennifer, was building a big new pad there.

It's said Jennifer liked to get her groceries and drop-off her dry-cleaning in that area. A little strange, huh?

One more thing that is even stranger and, admittedly more towards rumor because of the source, is that the route to Windermere from Jenn's condo passes the Turkey Lake Road where a search was done for Jennifer and where it is said that an ex was involved in a timeshare. Well, well.

[rd]

Here's a post I made on Mosaic to Windermere:

There have been a few posts mentioning Jennifer often driving to Windermere, a keyfob that resombles hers found on a street there, etc. I've heard about it and the expensive homes, etc. but thought there'd be some substantial retail somewhere because, for example, mention of Jennifer going there often to take care of some things.

I decided to take a look at it on the map. I see you get there on Conroy the opposite direction of going to Huntington on the Green (west versus east). But I saw next to nothing on retail there, just a small Main St. village type thing.

I rechecked with satellite images and that's all there is. Maybe Windermere is a euphemism as in I drive toward Windermere and there's some retail on Conroy before I get there that I use, etc. I don't know. Of course there would be extensive retail and services surrounding the Millenia Mall so I don't get the Windermere thing.

There's a lot in what you mention about Windermere, Nancy. Goes further into why Mosaic was chosen. All of those choices of shopping are from experience there.

Is the very popular tiki bar within walking distance referring to the Blue Martini?

[Nancy]