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[rd]

[rd]

I ran across some good / bad news of a woman missing case tonight. It was from 10 years ago and that was after I gave up posting on Missing Women, which is what this website was created for.

But I had been posting over 8 years, often day and night, while working more than full-time in my day job career. I had done so much work on Chandra Levy and Jennifer Kesse disappearances and so many more, but I felt the problems of men getting away with no body, no crime were recognized now and well covered by others, and I turned my attention to other endeavors, although considerable effort still remained on the two cases.

The headline was Remains of Kentucky Teen Who Vanished Nearly 10 Years Ago Found In Woods. Paige Johnson of Covington, Kentucky was the missing woman whose remains were found. I hadn't posted on the case, and wasn't familiar with it. As with all the missing women cases, Rest In Peace Paige.

In reading the article though, I saw something which I wanted to share in Jennifer's case. I wanted to point out that this is the way it works.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/remains-of-paige-johnson-kentucky-teen-who-went-missing-nearly-10-years-ago-found-in-woods

Remains of Kentucky Teen Who Vanished Nearly 10 Years Ago Found in Woods
Daily Beast
Pilar Melendez - Reporter
March 25, 2020

excerpt
Investigators, however, discovered that phone records placed [POI] Bumpass near Johnson’s home in Florence at that time and not in Covington. The records also showed Bumpass sent a text message from East Fork State Park in Clermont County at about 4:28 a.m. that night. Authorities searched the 10,000-acre park with cadaver dogs but were unable to track down any clues.

Authorities said they found Johnson’s body about a mile and a half from the cell phone tower that pinged Bumpass’ phone almost a decade ago.
end quote

A deer hunter found the remains of her skull just off a highway, near Williamsburg Township in Clermont County. The article doesn't say if that was in or how near to the 10,000 acre park they searched.

But a concentric circle search around the cell phone tower, ever expanding to reasonable cell range would have been more effective than the park boundaries of 10,000 acres. There's plenty of overlap, and it's simpler to search a park, but the issue is that it could be anywhere within cell range of the tower, and a mile and a half I have often cited is about average cell phone range.

But if the tower recorded a ping from Jennifer's phone, the cell phone was within cell phone range, no if's, and's, or but cell phone towers were unreliable then.

No, just your understanding of them is.

[Nancy]

There is only a few of us left who believe that the cell phone ping locations are important to Jennifer's case, RD. Maybe just you and I. Kesse's last media blitz has pretty much laid it to rest for his followers.

Have you seen the new special about Jennifer on the Oxygen channel? I've tried, but it's blocked in my area.

So, I've been left with reading about it on Facebook and where ever else I can find a tidbit.

From what I find, its outlook is shockingly negative; and I may be being kind there.

With what seems to me to be with the Kesses' encouragement, the program has pointed fingers directly at the two persons we discussed here as being the unnamed painters.

Wright, from or formerly from the OPD, has come out in favor of this theory.

He says a person living across the street from the Mosaic and who worked as a housekeeper at the complex, reported that she saw Jennifer's car leaving around 7:30am that morning driving erratically.

She identified the person in the POI images as looking like "Chino", who worked as a drywall expert at the Mosiac, and lived nearby but closer to the HOTG.

Wright apparently also said that when he checked he discovered another tip that said "Chino" was involved.

The special showed an image of this "Chino," with face blurred. At least I think the blurring was done for the special. But, really, I'm not clear if the person is simply an actor used by the special for re-creation purposes or the real deal.

Anyway, it's all over the internet; and if you haven't seen it you can go to W/S for a look. (Or I could post it here giving credit to W/S). Even though I have so many questions about its origins, I was surprised. It's a man small enough in stature to fit the earlier height suggestions and he walks with his upper body slightly bent forward as does the POI. The image even shows him carrying a low-hanging tool bag over one shoulder.

Of course, the Facebook people searched and found many people in Orlando, Florida with "Chino" as a nickname. One, in particular, excited them, so they freely posted his full name and many addresses. He has a mug shot with his hair styled very similar to the helmet in your photos. (I'm pretty sure the mug shot with the hair style was posted at W/S many years ago, so maybe you have seen it).

But, anyway, these two persons were previously said by Mr. Kesse to have both passed polygraphs. But maybe he changed his mind. Now? Again? Whatever.

One thing, though, that I've never contemplated before is that there may be a division within the OPD as to what direction to take Jennifer's investigation. That is unfortunate, and never helps; and could be the reason behind the stagnation.

I'm so sad for Jennifer. I know she would want to be recovered and returned to her parents. What's going on right now is not working towards that goal.

Anyway, I hope you let me know if you have seen the special and share your thoughts on it.

I love it when we disagree--makes me think. :)

**Edited by me to correct the detective's name.

[rd]

I haven't seen the Oxygen show on Jennifer. I haven't watched anything but a few minutes of news for many months / years now. I used to check tv listings every evening and gave up a few years ago. Or the tv listings became uncooperative and no longer worth messing with. Whatever.

Your summary is good enough, Nancy. Thanks for that update. So someone (with a name?) saw Jennifer's car leaving erratically at about 7:30am. And this hasn't been mentioned in the first how many years? And when was this allegedly reported? Is it in the police files and never mentioned and now Drew has seen them? I'm pretty sure Drew said he and investigators found nothing new. Jennifer's car driving erratically sounds like something.

Ain't buying this unless it was reported back in Spring of 2006.

[Nancy]

Okay. So, I think I had some stuff confused in my earlier comment. There seems to be some slight discrepancies between what has been posted at W/S and what has been posted on Facebook.

RD Wrote: So someone (with a name?) saw Jennifer's car leaving erratically at about 7:30am. And this hasn't been mentioned in the first how many years? And when was this allegedly reported?

Me: I would assume he has names, but hopefully didn't give them out on the show. The following part is corrected to an extent and answers a few of your questions:

Former OPD detective Joel Wright apparently stated that "people" who lived across the street from Jennifer's complex reported that they believed they saw Jennifer's vehicle driving erratically as it left the complex sometime after 7:30am on January 24, 2006. Wright received this information on the day Jennifer's car was found at the HOTG. (The 26th).

Now the above is apparently why that particular OPD detective believes that Jennifer disappeared on the morning of the 24th. (He's probably the source for hooking Kesse up with the Verizon specialist who said the ping study was crap. If there is any truth to that).

Next, there may have been a time lag because at an unspecified time, Wright developed a source that turned out to be an unnamed former housekeeper at the Mosiac. When shown the surveillance images of the POI, this former housekeeper said he looked like "Chino" and he was known to have been living and working at the Mosiac in 2006. However, this appears to have possibly been in 2008.

After receiving this information from the former housekeeper, Wright went back to his office and discovered that a tip had come in about a week after Jennifer first went missing indicating that someone named Chino was involved in her disappearance. (I'm thinking the original tip was from the former housekeeper and the identification of Chino didn't happen until 2008 because it took that long to identify the tipster and get her to agree to an interview).

Wright then goes back to the complex and shows a picture to one of the workers who had worked there at the time of Jennifer's disappearance and still worked there apparently. (I thought they had all vanished within hours and LE couldn't locate a single one?)

Anyway, this gets even more convoluted; but the worker was able to identify Chino right away, and lo and behold, it turns out that Wright was then able to discern that Chino and the head of maintenance, first name Ben, had worked in Jennifer's condo the week before she had gone to St. Croix.

And Ben was still working at the Mosaic and Wright was able to interview him. He freely admitted working in Jennifer's condo with Chino.

I think Chino was in prison for sexual battery involving a minor by then and the FBI gave him a poly which he passed. But if I'm understanding correctly the identifying of Chino and the poly all happened in 2008, thus the time lag I mentioned earlier.

And the following is another small part that is new: Logan had an encounter with this head of maintenance guy that they are calling Ben. Logan, uh huh, Logan said Ben was "rude and sketchy". I'm not at all clear if Ben was one of the people in the vehicle that Logan thought it was alright to approach and begin banging on the windows; or if this was another one of his polite little encounters.


RD Wrote: Is it in the police files and never mentioned and now Drew has seen them? I'm pretty sure Drew said he and investigators found nothing new. Jennifer's car driving erratically sounds like something.

Me: I'm thinking this wasn't new to Drew, just to us. It sounds to me like he may have had to go through the detective to get it out. There may have been a clause in the settlement that Kesse wouldn't release any details to the public.

Just sharing my thoughts, right or wrong.

I'm gonna add the pik; I can't resist. Underneath, I'll credit W/S and most of what I just updated is from the thread so it might make more sense if you just read it there.

LOL, I would have saved myself a lot of time if I would have just done this in the first place.

Sorry for the length.


https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/human-remains-found-near-orange-blossom-trail-deputies-say.401612/page-3

[rd]

Length is the only reason we're here, Nancy.

An excellent summarization, but really cracks me up. The original OPD investigators who were condemned to hell by Drew and everyone else now had tips, including Jennifer's car being driven erratically out of Mosaic at about 7:30am, and a tracking system, and typed in "Chino" and found that "Chino" was called in as a tip right away and in the OPD tip tracking system, and the previously condemned OPD investigator had instead confronted head of maintenence and forced him to admit that he and "Chino" were in Jennifer's condo the week before she disappeared. And "Chino" given a polygraph.

Hmmm... "No notes" OPD who "didn't investigate" are now said to have solved the crime within days, they just couldn't prove it. And there we sit for 14 years.

The most hilarious part is they just happen to have a picture of "Chino" with a tool bag on his hip as I pointed out was something of substance on his hip that no one else saw or cared about. That's one mighty convenient picture of "Chino", isn't it?

And all this posted in 2020. No one knows where "Chino" is, or Ben, or the housekeeper, or the mysterious tipster who called in immediately that car was driven "erraticaly" out of Mosaic that morning, or where this picture came from, or "the tracking system" which info on Jennifer required months and years to be turned over to Drew, who said there was nothing, no notes from the original investigators.

But we know where OPD Wright is, spinning this fanciful story in 2020. Hilarious stuff. And this just happens to be April Fools Day as a coincidence that I post this. OPD Wright's tale couldn't be more appropriate.

thanks Nancy for letting us document yet another sordid chapter in Jennifer's disappearance. Which is about all we can do. Document the fanciful and sordid and denials.

[Nancy]

I keep wanting to mention this, but something more interesting or at least more current comes along, and I put it off.

But, suppose it's true that Jennifer's last conversation with Rob on the 24th--whether you believe it began or ended at 9:57pm--was via her cell phone.

That at least opens up the possibility that she may have already left her condo.

Whether she told Rob she was in bed; or whether Rob was told to say she was in bed, is irrelevant.

Every statement of supposed fact has been told and retracted; told and retracted. And told once more and retracted once more. I'm dizzy from it all.

(I don't think I mentioned this either, but in the last special they returned to the Logan arriving at 1pm story. I always did believe Greta had it right).

I just went into the very first thread at W/S, and the very first comment on that thread is dated January 25, 2006. It describes Jennifer as going missing on her way to mail a package. It mentions her phone going directly to voice mail.

On January 31, 2006, there is the following quote from a news source. The link no longer works, of course:

Snipped Quote: Detectives think Jennifer herself, or someone else, was traveling on South John Young Parkway, between Texas and Americana and Conroy Road by the Mall of Millenia, during that time frame. [10pm to 8am]

A manager at the 7-Eleven along John Young and Americana confirmed that police collected their outdoor surveillance tapes looking for clues. End

On one of the older TV specials, a different detective describes driving around to various FedEx all night depos.

Why would they do all that if they weren't following ping info?

Why mention her phone going straight to voice mail if it doesn't take at least 8 hours for that to happen?

Rob was the first to call Jennifer's cell phone on the 24th while on his way to work. He had to be at work by 9am. We can do our own math. It's close.

And all of the above, plus her vehicle being found at the HOTG and the first three still images of the POI emerging, was going on in the first week or so, too.

Then around about the beginning of the second week, we have the tip leading to the look-a-like prostitute. What?

And next, the psychics. OMG

What really happened to Jennifer's investigation?

[Markybug]

Do these two individuals include the worker that allegedly did jenn told him to lock up her apartment after doing some work there?

Crazy that all this information is so old and seemingly all know to law enforcement!

[Nancy]

Have you heard the latest about the markings on the front hood of Jennifer's vehicle, RD?

Probably you have, but I'll post one link anyway--for convenience and just in case. :)

https://www.fox13news.com/news/jennifer-kesses-family-hopes-recently-released-photos-will-lead-to-new-tips-in-her-disappearance

Also, from the video at the link, I did screenshots of those pages from LE's report. I'll add them below as I found a few interesting small things and thought you might appreciate them. (Not too much interesting on this page, though. Hang in there).



Hmm, there are 5 pages in total; so maybe I better paste them in separate comments.

So, this is page 21; page 22 will be in the next comment and so on.

[Nancy]

I'll add my notes as to what stood out for me as being different from what we knew previously, and I know the hound or hounds aren't your favorite thing. LOL

Page 22:
LE obtained the key for Jennifer's car from Drew. (Par. 2)

Two bloodhounds, not one going by the names of their owners: Browns and Hall. Hall tracked around the corner to Park Central Mid Town Terrace Apartments before losing the scent. (Par. 4) (See also paragraph 1 on page 23)

[Nancy]

Page 23:
More about the bloodhounds' scent tracking. (Par. 1)

Rob told LE the seat appeared to be in the driving position Jennifer used, and the "stereo equipment" in the vehicle was as he had left it. (Par. 2) I had always heard that Rob said the seat was pushed back, and I never heard any mention of stereo equipment. Unless the DVD could be considered stereo equipment, but I don't think so.

Detectives notice what appeared to have been markings of someone being pushed across the front hood of the vehicle. (Par. 3) This is a brief description given in the detective's own words.

[Nancy]

Page 24:
Jennifer's car passed through the East/West expressway tolls at 6:16 am on Jan. 23/06.

Jennifer's car returned from work at 6:16 pm on Jan 23/06 and did not pass through the East/West tolls again.

Jennifer's cell phone usage showed inbound and outbound calls starting at approximately 5:20 pm and ending at approximately 9:56 pm. (All of the above from paragraph 2).

Notice the confirmation of the ending time of the final call, and definitely, it was from Jennifer's cell phone.

[Nancy]

Page 25:
LE was attempting to confirm where both Jennifer's and Rob's cell phones were located at the time of the last call, but the results are not given. (Par. 2)

Discusses interviewing "Ben" and "Chino". (Par. 4)



Anyway, YMMV as to what you may glean from all of the above. :)

[Nancy]

I can't resist. I might as well add the images.

I know we have a thread here dedicated to Jennifer's vehicle, so I'll move it over if you insist.




And this one is the footprint, which, of course, I haven't stared at long enough to be comfortable with what I'm seeing.



These images are from the article link I gave a few posts above--not sure if screenshoting the video would give better results.

[rd]

Nancy, I was not aware of any of this. Thanks so much for posting this info. It adds so much to what is known. So much to comment on.

From your link to Tampa's Fox News 13:
https://www.fox13news.com/news/jennifer-kesses-family-hopes-recently-released-photos-will-lead-to-new-tips-in-her-disappearance

https://www.fox13news.com/news/jennifer-kesse-case-newly-released-police-photos-suggest-violent-struggle

Fox 13 Tampa Bay
By Cristina Corbin, Georeen Tanner and Cyd Upson
November 12, 2020

Fair Use excerpts. Thanks for this reporting from Fox News.

...evidence photos obtained by Fox News suggest a violent struggle took place on the front hood of the 24-year-old woman’s car, a clue the family hopes will yield new leads in a case that has long been unsolved.

"The photos look suspicious and show what appears to be a hand mark going across the hood," added Mike Torretta, a former federal agent and private investigator hired by the Kesse family.

A new witness, speaking exclusively to Fox News, claims she saw Kesse's black Chevy Malibu swerving near the exit to "Mosaic at Millenia” on the morning of Jan. 24, 2006.

"The car was moving erratically," said the woman, who spoke on condition of anonymity to protect her identity.

It looked as though two people were fighting over the steering wheel," she said.

Nothing appeared out of place at Jennifer's condominium when her family arrived at noon on Jan. 24 to look for her. A damp towel was found near her shower and the unit was locked, suggesting the crime likely occurred after Kesse left her home for work that morning. Kesse's purse, cellphone, iPod and briefcase were missing from her condo.

end excerpts

Also there is a podcast link. I have not watched any podcasts that I can recall. If it's not a Youtube video I guess I couldn't be bothered. I looked up Podcast just now in Wikipedia. I see "streaming applications" and "podcasting services". That lingo doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies.

Looking at other search results, I see "audio files". Audio? Like MP3 files? They can't be bothered with making a video? I watch Youtube videos all the time, from webcam simple to production level such as music videos and everything in between. I would not care to listen to audio. I will quickly scan through transcripts though. I clicked on trailer for this podcast for a few seconds and bailed. Worthless.

The screenshots of the crime report much appreciated, Nancy. All the actions looked quite timely and complete to me. The comments on the dogs results were as I would have wanted it reported.

On the pictures. I sharpened the hood a bit and slightly enlarged to try to see what they're talking about. Posted in large images thread:
https://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=39808#39808

I take it the solid area on the right side of the hood is where it looks like something large and solid was dragged on the hood, and all the "scratch" marks if you will on each side. Also a lot on the front of the hood.

Regarding the pic of the trunk, would you agree they would have pictured as they found it when they opened it? Therefore nothing was in the trunk. There was some speculation / comments about various items that may have been in the trunk.

Regarding Tuesday morning and the witness, I will say I find the concept of a 5'5 guy stuggling with 5'8 Jennifer for the steering wheel to be hard to imagine. They're driving out of Mosaic that way, they're driving down the road that way? What, Jennifer says, oh, okay, you can drive. That's just some bizarre stuff.

Against that one witness, who was not in the crime report so was reported to police some time after, not impugning witness or intent, but against that believed to have been seen is that Jennifer's phone wasn't on Tuesday morning, she had no contact with her bf, and there was no trash indicating her presence.

I get that there were outfits laid out on the bed, and a damp towel, but radio silence and no indication people leave of doing just about anything is very hard to overcome.

One aspect is the cellphone. From what I've read the Kesses said they could always reach Jennifer. If Jennifer was in habit of turning her cell phone off when going to bed that would be something that would be remembered. Oh, we couldn't reach Jennifer after 10 because she turned her cell phone off every night. And we wouldn't hear how she used her cell phone for an alarm clock. Yet when she disappeared her cell phone was off at 10.

I vaguely recall cell phones I had before and after 2006. I don't recall brand but I recall it was brick like and I kept in a charger overnight. My recollection is I kept in on while in the charger.

I had a cell phone problem in 2006, maybe it quit working, whatever, and I went locally here in Jacksonville to get a new cell phone. It was a Motorola Razr clamshell phone which I just doublechecked had a USB charger. So the days (and nights) of dropping ny cell phone into a battery stand to charge were over.

What did Jennifer have? I don't know. But I don't think from my experience and everything said that it was normal for her to turn her cell phone off at night to charge, not to mention using it as an alarm clock.

So off at 10 and no one wants to deal with why.