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[Nancy]

@ RD

Suppose--just for the sake of supposing--that he knew every possible thing there was to know about the surveillance cameras at the HOTG. Perhaps imagine that he installed surveillance systems for a living, or worked in a field where this knowledge would be required.

Would it be possible to time it right?

Oh, something else I want to mention--if you're reviewing the surveillance videos, pay close attention when it approaches the seconds he emerged from the vehicle.

I was perusing it yet again the other day, and I believe you can see him raising his arm and swinging something over his shoulder, and then dropping his arm as he starts to walk.

No kidding, I was stunned. It happens really fast, though. If you're not looking in the right spot and you blink, you won't catch it.

You see lots of people just swing their backpacks over one shoulder like that. It makes it hang lower, too.

Also, way, way back around the beginning of this case, do you remember the rumors about Jennifer's "gym" bag being found in a dumpster at the HOTG?

I thought it may turn out not to be Jennifer's gym bag, but a backpack used by the POI. Rumors can get turned around like that.

I did spend a little time seeing if I could source the rumor, but the best I came up with was a comment at W/S saying the poster had heard it on one of the local news stations, one time.

Not much of a source, unfortunately; but interesting, none-the-less.

[Nancy]

I believe that I can see a difference between 28b and 29a.

I think 29a is a bit sharper. Just enough to make me believe that it is two separate shots.

Which doesn't really make sense. So, I dunno. :/

[rd]

The POI stood there long enough to be shown in back to back frames. As we would expect if we think about it. If you stop at the tree and hide behind it you are doing more than looking back. You are taking a good look for anyone around to see if they are watching you walk away from that car.

You've seen many many times that photographic technique of leaving the shutter open and capturing for example traffic. That blurring effect happens over the one second interval. These are not clean snapshots. But being in one place most of the second could render less blurry, if you will.

On the knowing everything about the camera setup, what I'm saying is that no one knows when an image is captured and another image will be captured in a second. It's not like you can look up at the camera and see a flashbulb go off.

I'll find and copy the post in what I wrote about the POI getting out of the car that I was able to discern below. I agree, there are some insights to be gleaned there, Nancy.

[rd]

Posted June 17, 2017:

I decided that after all these years I would take another look at the video of Jennifer's car being parked and see if I could see anything better now.

With everything much better these days I can see the video now about as well as can be expected.

The headlights of the car are seen as it pulls in, backs up, and pulls in again. Don't know how the reporting could have got that wrong.
Might have garbled somebody's description of the the car backing up and pulling in again as backed in.

At 12:59:43 CAM2 time POI emerges from car. I'm going to lower my estimate of POI height based on height compared to car versus the palm tree. It looks more like me standing next to the car, I'm 5'7. I would lower POI height estimate to 5'7 to 5'8 from 5'9 to 5'11 now that I've seen POI standing next to car.

The whiteness of the clothing as seen in the video is disconcerting. Even though I know it's infrared doing it it's difficult to mentally picture in darker clothes. I did think of something that should be done. I have through the years asked for the make, model, and settings of the gate camera so that I could test what kind of clothes show up as what. Well clearly after eleven years no one wants to give out that info.

But something better just occurred to me. The police had to go through at least a day's worth of surveillance of both cameras to find the POI images. They would have seen several people walking by gate for example. They would have been able to see whether POI clothes were abnormally light compared to others, I mean most people wouldn't be wearing all white. And they would know whether POI looked like most other people or was one of very few to be in very light colored clothing.

I would certainly hope that the surveillance tapes that were reviewed to get these images weren't discarded. This could be done even now and have a very good determination if POI was wearing white clothes while others looked normal darker colors than all white.

I did some very rough resizing and contrast adjustments to make out the POI figure better. Standing next to the car the POI is a solid build, not thin, not heavy. There is dark shading around his middle. This is not well defined like a belt but just a general wider dark shading around the middle.

Head and dark above head are visible. He extends his right arm and the arm is all white just like rest of his clothes. To me it is clear he is wearing a long sleeved shirt. It looks like a band of darkness around his wrist area.

Next image that I stopped on was at 12:59:44. Here his back is much darker. It looks to me like he slung a backpack type device over his back from :43 to :44 (image seconds are not very accurate as we saw with gate POI images). I have noted that equipment on his back in image 2 of gate images and it looks like he did sling that over his back when he got out of the car.

rd

[Nancy]

Sorry for jumping in like this with an erratic change of topic, but I just have to post this:

Remember when we heard that someone knocked on Jenifer's door the night of the 23rd? And how everyone added to it saying it was while she was talking to Rob? And called it fact.

Well, here is a quote from Gurd in a recent podcast reading from an email he received from Mr. Kesse, around 25 minutes in:

“The knock occurred a different night just before she left”.
https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9hdWRpb2Jvb20uY29tL2NoYW5uZWxzLzQ5MDc1NzYucnNz&episode=dGFnOmF1ZGlvYm9vbS5jb20sMjAyMC0wMi0wOTovcG9zdHMvNzQ5OTc4Mg&hl=en-CA&ved=2ahUKEwiu2aiPlcfnAhXhY98KHbVVDogQieUEegQIAhAE&ep=6

[rd]

where left would be left for the trip.

That closes down a lot of interesting theories concerning Monday evening.

Also, Drew just posted an update to Jennifer's GoFundMe:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-us-find-jennifer-kesse

He posted some info. I wrote a note to him via Contact. I'll wait to comment until after a chance to respond.

[Nancy]

[rd]

no, for sure didn't complete one and start another oen. I don't specifically recall that Kesse's GoFundMe started out at $250,000, but probably did. $100,000 is PI work for a year at most (with expenses and admin help, etc.). That's not to mention the lawyer fees suing Orlando to get the case files.

I only take a look when they post updates, but it hasn't deviated a lot from where it is now. I've made a contribution sometime in past and got a (routine) thank you note from Drew.

I left a note at Contact yesterday for first time. I had not seen this Q&A format before so I posted a couple of Q's related to pings and POI surveillance tape, the two things they don't want to talk about, so we'll see.

[rd]

In today's update on Jennifer's GoFundMe (which has helped with some donation activity), Drew answers someone's question with an answer that in the phone call around 10 pm Jennifer talked to Rob on her cell phone.

[Markybug]

The go fund me is very helpful for clearing up query’s direct from the family. Like this one ,

“Q. Do you know if the vacant rooms around the premises to Jenn’s rooms were searched? I’ve always wondered if she was taken to a vacant room somewhat away from her condo.
A. To our knowledge there was a search of all vacant units by OPD (at least in writing they said all were searched). To our knowledge all units on the property were locked except one, the unit across from Jennifer’s. It was searched and scent dogs did go in the unit with negative results.”


Could the dogs result be because there was no carpet ? Ie if she was there but on the carpet and removed in it , then no scent ?

[rd]

It depends on what "Removing carpet" means when it is mentioned.

The prior apartment carpet as part of conversion? Cut and rolled up but left in apartment? "Carpet" is a throwrug? What is alleged to have been removed when?

[Nancy]

[rd]

My reaction to this is, she spent the evening talking on the phone. Her cell phone all evening? Yes? No? Why the cell phone for that last call with Rob?

The "ping" records would be unambiguous for a phone call. What are the ping timestamps in the hours before and after that call? When did they stop?

Those last two questions I posed via the Contact form. So far there's no difference than with dealing with Orlando Police Department.

[Nancy]

If you would be so patient as to bear with me on this "camera flashing every three seconds" thing:

I put the three images together allowing all the fence posts to show. And when I look at it like this, I realize that there has to be missing seconds. It's especially obvious between the second gate post and the palm tree. He could not possibly have covered that distance in one second.

So, finally, I think I'm coming a little closer to understanding what you've been saying about the camera shutter staying open but we don't get a new picture for three seconds (or maybe two seconds). In the meantime, the POI was walking and had the camera shot then, it would have captured him between the slats in the fence.

It's odd about the time captions shown on the surveillance cameras, though--we don't really know how long "the walk" took him.

I did them as three separate images, and I prefer looking at them that way. However, in the bottom image, I slid them together to show that the posts line up and the post count is correct. Even though, I find it more confusing to look at it as one image, I added it that way in case other people find it more helpful.

Notice in the image at 28 seconds, it appears the image has been slightly stretched. That's not me, the original is the same. I think in reality, his face would be much rounder than it seems.

[rd]

very helpful for the analysis, Nancy. Thanks so much for this.

I can't see a difference between top and bottom pics. I know you said you moved the bottom one somewhat to line up but I can't discern the difference.

When we posted about this a few days ago, I gave some thought to the one second from gate to palm tree, looking at pics we had that show the gate and palm tree. It isn't that far, but it's a brisk pace. I don't know, three or four steps beyond the gate?