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Jennifer Kesse, 24, missing from Orlando
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:33 pm    Post subject: New Search Jan 6 2012 Reply with quote

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-jennifer-kesse-missing-search-international-dri-20120106,0,6733850.story

New Search Happening today based on a tip- been wanting to search area for a while but area was under water and they needed permission from property owners...

Praying for Jenn to be found- GOOD or BAD- she deserves to be found... also praying for Jenn, her family and friends, and the countless people who will NEVER give up!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:48 pm    Post subject: Close to Home Reply with quote

Hi everybody! Happy New Year!
Over the last few weeks, I have been thinking about what might have happened to Jennifer. I have been anxiously waiting to hear about any new developments, as I feel so sorry for her family members, who must miss her so much.
I was watching a 48 Hours Mystery type show recently, which told the story of a woman who was murdered by her husband (or significant other), who then transported her body in the trunk of her car to the woods nearby. After placing her body in a shallow grave, in a location which was easily accessible by car, he then left her car in a place not too far from her (their?) home and walked back home (or wherever) on his own accord.
From the surveillance video we have seen, which was taken at the apartment complex where Jennifer's car was found, it appears that something like this may have happened to Jennifer (albeit not at the hands of her boyfriend, since he has been cleared) and the perpetrator who was dressed like a bicycle cop may have walked, skate-boarded, or biked off to where he or she came from.
I wonder if they will find any new clues as to Jennifer's whereabouts today.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 3:42 pm    Post subject: Birthday Reply with quote

Jennifer Kesse is 32 years old today. Her parents are of course are still unable to feel anything but pain since Jennifer disappeared.

Happy Birthday where ever you may be.

God Bless

Goz

See Link for story/update.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/20/jennifer-kesse-birthday-florida_n_3287048.html


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In 2006, Jennifer vanished in Orlando, Fla., without a trace. For seven long years, her parents have spent every waking minute of every single day waiting and hoping for answers in her disappearance.

However, there will be no celebration today. For the Kesse family, Jennifer has not aged in their eyes since the day that she vanished.

"She will remain 24 forever," Jennifer's father, Drew Kesse, told The Huffington Post

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:05 am    Post subject: Some impressions by a newbie Reply with quote

Hi everybody. I write from Italy and recently I've seen Holloway's show about J.K. case and I've been shocked.
First of all I'm sorry for my English.
Reading previous posts I want to write some impressions I have.

1) About poi pictures, have PD seen also previous days recordings? Poi seems to know very well the block, so I think or he lived there/frequented it (I don't think so, too mutch dangerous parking there) either he's been there at least one time days before the abduction.
Regarding photo enhancements made by RD, and particularly that in which it seems to appear the poi's face, I don't think I can see a goatee (that dark is too at right of the middle of his face), more likely a chin strap. I'm pretty sure he wears a biker helmet, with a notch in its back. And also the grooves on the sole of shoes to get grip on pedals, the string on his pants at ankle height....

And have PD seen photos from the largest view camera about poi leaving Huntington and in which direction (or arriving in it from where)?

2) I don't think she was abducted in her condo, since are missing her briefcase and Travis Bourguignon's cell. I think she was abducted elsewhere, but however I can't understand why those two objects are missing. If it happened in her car, poi could leave them there..

3) And what about Jenn's phone calls records? In that period was she listening/meeting somebody other than family, boyfriend and best friends?
What really hurts me is that her cell battery has been removed at about 10:40 pm of 23. Her parents also said that she never powered off her cell, so I think something happened the 23 evening between 10:00 pm (last phone call with bf) and 10:40. Two ideas: is in Orlando an overnight service with bikers coming to your home and bring packages? Maybe she called this service and opened the door to a bike messenger (what about phone calls records above?). Or the second idea: where are main switchboards of her condo? In Italy we have switchboard inside home and a general one outside) maybe downstairs, at ground floor? Maybe the abductor powered off her condo for a while, and she came outside to see what happened and was abducted?

4) Magic-dog Bo. He followed poi's scent from Huntington to Mosaic, but just to the downstairs. This may be cause poi had parked there his bycicle. I dont’t think he sniffled Jenn’s scent, just because in this case we should think that the poi was Jenn: a dog follow a scent, it’s impossible that Bo took Jenn’s scent from her car and then he brought PD to her home without continuosly sniffling the same initial scent.
But did PD let Bo follow Jenn’s scent from her condo, sniffling previously the scent of the clothes she had worn monday for work?

5) In BOC site I read about her pepper spray pouch found about 3 years after abduction by a couple in Windermere. Is that true? Attached to it there was Jenn’s mail key. Why after 3 years a simple object, without anything obviously referring to Jen, could be immediately reconducted to her and analized just to compare the key with the one found in her car?

6) One thing that astonished me that was reported by laskipper was the witness that had worked for CFI/Westgate. In addition to shadiness of working fot that company and scariness of Westgate parking lot, she reported about fliers about a missing gilr in Orlando abducted in Westgate property parking lot. Was she talking about Jenn, or simply she confused different cases?
However I've always considered exagerated the 1 million reward that CFI/Westgate set for bringing back Jenn alive. Just a symblolic act or they knew they’ll never pay it and just wanted to be ruled out?

7) The last thing. What about her ex-boyfriend? I listen (maybe on Greta Van Susteren show) that monday night he was in Orlando (I don’t know if ihe was living there) drunk in a pub not so far from Jenn’s Condo. I’ve always excluded him to be the poi because of his height (it seems to be a quiet tall), but reading now from RD that he’s been in Huntington and after checking the tree at right in the third cam capture he thinks the poi could be not 5,3-5,5 but also about 5,11, my suspects go to him. He had reason (somewhere I read he recently wanted to get with her again), possibility, maybe Jenn still trusted him, and if he was drunk maybe something could’ve gone bad. Someone that knows him knows if he were a biker for work/hobby and used to where a bike helmet?
Ah, checkin his Facebook profile I learned he married in 2006 (just few months after his big love disappearance), but maybe it’s Facebook fault ‘cause his wife info show they get dated in 2006 and there are photos of the wedding put on her profile in 2012.
However: has he been ruled out? Somebody knows according to which items he and all other questioned persons where ruled out?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

some great observations, thanks. What nickname do we refer to you by? Your English may be better than mine on some days. :)

I will look over your comments tonight and start replying as I can check into the questions. I think you have highlighted some of the more interesting questions, and your photo analysis is spot on.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The more I think about this case the more I'm sure that the abductor was somebody she and her family knew.
I'm sure the abduction happened on monday evening, so everything happened after that is a staging. Everything has been done to let everybody think she was abducted going to work on tuesday so abductor could have an alibi, it's the only solution I can find for:
- the car moved (if abductor was a construction worker he could have take her car to bring her elsewhere, but I don't think at this solution for the following reason);
- briefcase and the two cell phones (hers and Logan's friend) are missing. Why, if she was abducted in/out of her condo, abductor had to take away these items?

It's just my opinion, but I think somebody who she and her family knew and could be investigated staged all this to move attention on tuesday morning when he/she could have an alibi. And, likely, who knew that she was going to overnight Logan's friend phone (that's why it's missing). I hope that all persons ruled out by OPD were investigated about their alibi on tuesday morning but also monday evening/night, and I'm referring to boyfriend, ex-boyfriend, best friends, her brother's friends, maybe some coworker.

Last thing: the poi who parked Jenn's car in HOGC could also be disconnected from abduction, maybe the car has been left somewhere else with keys inside with the hope that someone would steal it and, maybe, be seen/arrested.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome cioccobiscotto


Nice to see you here and thanks for posting your thoughts.
I will leave it to RD to discuss this case as he is the expert.

IMO though- I feel it was someone she knew who abducted her or one
of the workers at the condo.

Good day and thanks
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the qestions and comments, ciocco. I'm going to ease back into the details of Jennifer's disappearance. Its been quite a few years since I spent nearly every evening examining the photos and details of the case.

Not that it did a bit of good. As far as I can tell, the Orlando police only respond if you tell them you had a clairvoyant sighting of Jennifer in a field or building somewhere. Then they will go search the field or building.

They seem to like tips like that. Stuff in the pictures they didn't see, not so much.

1) About poi pictures, have PD seen also previous days recordings? Poi seems to know very well the block, so I think or he lived there/frequented it (I don't think so, too much dangerous parking there) either he's been there at least one time days before the abduction.

When they were alerted on Thursday morning of a car matching the missing car's description parked in the parking lot of the apartment complex, they didn't know when it was parked there. They obtained the surveillance footage and found it being parked about noon on Tuesday, the day Jennifer disappeared.

Did they stop there when the found it? I doubt it. They probably examined all the available footage, but I don't know how many days that was.

I think it's certain that the poi is knowledgeable of the area. As to whether the poi also is the abducter or just someone parking her car for one reason or another, possibly aware of whose it was and possibly not, that's an entirely different matter, and one you raise in a later comment. We'll return to that.


Regarding photo enhancements made by RD, and particularly that in which it seems to appear the poi's face, I don't think I can see a goatee (that dark is too at right of the middle of his face), more likely a chin strap. I'm pretty sure he wears a biker helmet, with a notch in its back. And also the grooves on the sole of shoes to get grip on pedals, the string on his pants at ankle height....

I am glad you can see the detail in the pictures. There are precious few people able to discern the details I found. I was lucky. All I had was a laptop with a dialup connection and a large CRT monitor. Basically no distractions while I spent months analyzing those photos, and a very detailed display with a large 19" CRT monitor. Pretty obsolete at this point.

I had left the third picture till last because it wasn't supposed to have anything on it. I was just going to see if I could see anything in background, etc. And as I worked with it, in those days I was trying various combinations of resize, contrast, and brightness to bring out details, and as I carefully scanned the image by eye looking for anything recognizable, I noticed the shape of a law enforcement badge, unmistakeable.

I highlighted that and posted about it, etc., and I believe that I was examining the picture with a 15" LCD monitor I had when I was just smacked in the face with this image of the poi looking back at me from behind the tree. I couldn't believe it. It was quite a shock.

At the time I thought the dark area could be goatee or chin strap. However, all indications are as you think, a chin strap. The other pictures have a band around the back of his neck that is about the size of a helmet strap. It's not clear what the band is but is unmistakeable in two pictures. The other is that dressed as a law enforcement officer as he is, unlikely to be wearing a goatee. Of course as an imposter he could have a goatee and still wear an officer's getup he put together, but in my opinion someone into impersonating an officer at that level is not going to have long hair or a beard or goatee, ec. so he fits in with what law enforcement looks like.

Ironically, I just checked the Wikipedia article on Jennifer and it states the poi parked the car and walked away never looking back. I clearly showed the police and everyone else who are interested that the poi most certainly did stop and look back, and you can see his face, but you might as well be talking to the brick wall in the picture.

Also in the article they repeat the Orlando police statement that the poi is 5'3 to 5'5. In looking at the pictures and comparing to a small tree that was there I determined he was about 5'9 or taller. I saw a short news video showing them at work to determine this. They had a short woman out there marching around with long steps like she was a Nazi goosestepping or something and they said this is what the poi looks like. I am not making this up. They think the angle of the surveiallance camera and nature of the video takes a short person goosestepping to make what we see. It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

People are incapable of dealing with something they didn't see themselves. It must not exist. That's just a failure in people, and why I haven't revisited this case in so many years. But I keep the pictures up. Maybe someday someone will realize what is posted for all to see.


And have PD seen photos from the largest view camera about poi leaving Huntington and in which direction (or arriving in it from where)?

The road out front (Americana) of Huntington is also front of Mosaic condo complex. A cross road, Texas, runs alongside the Huntington on the east side. The poi pulled in from Texas, basically parked the car at the first parking spot as you enter, however you have to drive by the pool as there's no parking spots there. Then he got out and walked back the way he came and around the pool and back toward Americana out front.

Basically it doesn't indicate anything. He could be walking back toward the Mosaic, dressed as law enforcement in my opinion, could live in the area, he's certanly familiar with it, could be catching a bus at the corner across from the Huntington, could be returning to his job where he had left to park this car out of the way for one reason or another, just about anything is possible with that behavior.

Lots more to cover, but that's a start. Thanks for taking a fresh look at this.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi rd! Thanks for your reply.
I think that Orlando Police like just concrete tips, after nine years and half other kind of tips are almost inconclusive or impossibile leading to a solution. Maybe they could do more in 2006...
Waiting for your comments on other observations/info requests that I made I want to thank you for spending your time here.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2) I don't think she was abducted in her condo, since are missing her briefcase and Travis Bourguignon's cell. I think she was abducted elsewhere, but however I can't understand why those two objects are missing. If it happened in her car, poi could leave them there..

If I ever knew her brother's friend's name, I had forgotten it, so I looked up his name. That brought me immediately to a post on Blink on Crime that I read and mentioned here at the time. There are many interesting details from her work. I am going to read the comments first before I comment.

The most startling claim is that her co-worker didn't arrive in to work until noonish on day Jennifer disappeared? I'm going to take another look and see if I misread that.

Has a goatee of all things.

There are a lot of details of what was still in her car, like a new DVD player strapped in back seat, that rule out someone even pretending to make this an abduction look like a robbery murder as might be expected with her missing briefcase, phone, etc.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/01/18/jennifer-kesse-breaking-news-witness-statement-points-to-someone-at-work-kesse-family-and-opd-press-conference-scheduled/comment-page-6/
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rd wrote:
2) I don't think she was abducted in her condo, since are missing her briefcase and Travis Bourguignon's cell. I think she was abducted elsewhere, but however I can't understand why those two objects are missing. If it happened in her car, poi could leave them there..

If I ever knew her brother's friend's name, I had forgotten it, so I looked up his name. That brought me immediately to a post on Blink on Crime that I read and mentioned here at the time. There are many interesting details from her work. I am going to read the comments first before I comment.

The most startling claim is that her co-worker didn't arrive in to work until noonish on day Jennifer disappeared? I'm going to take another look and see if I misread that.

Has a goatee of all things.

There are a lot of details of what was still in her car, like a new DVD player strapped in back seat, that rule out someone even pretending to make this an abduction look like a robbery murder as might be expected with her missing briefcase, phone, etc.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/01/18/jennifer-kesse-breaking-news-witness-statement-points-to-someone-at-work-kesse-family-and-opd-press-conference-scheduled/comment-page-6/


Yes, Logan's friend's who left his phone in Jenn's condo is Travis Bourguignon.
And about her work, you're right. I also read on BOC that "Adam Frank" told that Johnny Campos on 24 of january arrived at work at noon, and also other things about him that I don't know how much could be reliable but if true could give a great break to this case. But, however, from this article on BOC have passed 3 years and half and nothing happened, so I don't know what to think about this.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was going to search and see if anything transpired on this one way or the other. With the termination / lawsuit will be chalked off to "disgruntled employee", an unnamed one at that. That's quite a statement, the fact that Jennifer's dad knows of him and how Jennifer was trying to dissuade him without causing hard feelings means that part isn't made up.

The only question is did he really come to work at lunchtime. Note current and prior boyfriend's were given lie detector tests and that he wanted a boyfriend relationship there is no doubt.

So why wasn't he given one and cleared as the others?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rd wrote:
I was going to search and see if anything transpired on this one way or the other. With the termination / lawsuit will be chalked off to "disgruntled employee", an unnamed one at that. That's quite a statement, the fact that Jennifer's dad knows of him and how Jennifer was trying to dissuade him without causing hard feelings means that part isn't made up.

The only question is did he really come to work at lunchtime. Note current and prior boyfriend's were given lie detector tests and that he wanted a boyfriend relationship there is no doubt.

So why wasn't he given one and cleared as the others?


Great observation.
Anyway: Who knows? I Think that many odd things occurred in investigations about Jenn's coworkers, as some years passed without anyone of them being questioned.. And also earlier detectives' behaviour seems weird..
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have always felt that there was more to Jennifer's abduction than the illegal workers at her condo. I get the impression that a lot of planning went into this and that in some way it was work related.

I am one of the few I guess who believes that Jennifer was abducted shortly after her last phone call either by someone hiding in her apartment before she got home, by someone who had a key or if she opened her door to someone that she knew. I do not believe that she left her condo either that Monday night or early Tuesday because she was nervous about living there, going out after dark or before daylight would be too scary.

A couple of the many things that bothers me about Jennifer's abduction is the wet shower and wet towel and the mens sweater in her hamper. If she showered the night before after the last phone call that would be around 16 hrs before the Kesse's arrived at her condo. If she showered that Tuesday morning say around 6 am that would be around 8 hours before the Kesse's arrived....after 8-16 hrs would that shower still be wet. I live in hot, humid GA and my shower does not stay wet that long. My towels do not stay wet 8 hrs if they are hung up(my hair is much longer than Jenn's).

If she were taking the towel to the washer, why not take the underwear and pj's at the same time???

Could the poi have showered in Jenn's condo?

Could the men's sweater have been left in the hamper by the poi as his way of saying that he was there????

Ask yourselves who had the motive, means and opportunity at Jenn's workplace to do this.

The individual that I am thinking of was already jealous of anyone who complimented Jenn at work, he had access to her condo keys(I am sure that she may have left her keys at her desk when she was in meetings), I would love to know his whereabouts on Monday evening (could he have hidden in Jenn's condo before she got home?). This person could have made a key and could have been in Jenn's condo while she was at work, he would know if she usually left clothes on the bathroom floor, placed the towel on the washer or left clothes on the bed

Sorry about my ramblings...I have read virtually every sentence ever written about Jennifer's abduction since day one....I have daughters and I cannot imagine what the Kesse's have been through for 9 1/2 years.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Goz for the welcome.

I have spent countless hours on Jennifer's disappearance....I have even contemplated taking private eye courses, getting a blood hound and learning how to use them....if I weren't so old, I would probably do that. I live around 600 miles from Orlando, if I lived nearer I know that I would be constantly searching for her.

I am the mother of two daughters, one is named Jennifer....it makes me physically sick to allow myself to go to where the Kesse's have been for ALMOST 10 years...

Anyway....hopefully one day the Kesse's will have answers, I sincerely hope so!

Wishing everyone on here the best.

Vivian
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