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[gozgals]

I was just reading your notes RD. Thank you for your continued hard work and dedication on Jennifer's case. You do such great work. I just had to say thank you from everyone. It is amazing and I'm so happy you are still at this.

I read the stories from WS. So sad about the ladies son who got pulled over and questioned. Thank God he was let go.

Take care and will be keeping my eyes out. What has it been 4 years on this case now?

Goz

[rd]

thanks goz. much appreciated. I even amazed myself at what I found in these pictures. :)

They'll just stay up on the internet until someone convinces me the results can't be replicated or can point out other shapes in the pictures besides that of an armed security guard that I pointed out.

They claim they can only be shadows and optical illusions, yet these shadows and optical illusions are the perfect solid shapes of an armed law enforcement officer equipment and uniform.

The only illusions are in their minds.

rd

[rd]

My basic assumptions is that the POI is a food service worker or in general maintenance. He appears to be wearing “kitchen shoes”, so I will start with that assumption.

If he is a food service worker, I presume he is working the midnight shift because as he is committing the crime from about 7:30 AM to 12:10 PM, he doesn’t seem to be in a hurry to report anywhere.

If he is a food service worker on a midnight shift, then he is likely to be working in a place where there is overnight food preparation for meals for large crowds, e.g. airport, Universal Studios, catering companies. I’m also aware that some donut shops can have similar shifts (there is a Krispy Kreme in the area where JK would have passed by on her way to work).

If he is a food service worker on a midnight shift, it is likely he will need to depend on public transportation instead of having his own vehicle. The 40 bus route starts/ends at the Universal garage and its schedule does accommodate midnight shift workers at Universal.

The 40 Bus goes from the Universal Garage, stops at the Mall (kiddie corner from the Krispy Kreme and .6 mile from the condos), passes by the condos, and its next stop is at Texas & Americana, where the car was found.

If he is a food service worker on a midnight shift, then it is likely he shares an apartment with others. The area around Texas & Americana has a very high density of multiple-unit dwellings. When I Google-mapped the bus stops past that point, the density wasn’t nearly as high. I’m just playing the percentages here.

So, the bottom line is that the Universal angle entered my radar screen since it fit the criteria of providing midnight shift employment (I’ve seen job ads there) and where an available means of transportation just happens to pass or stop by key points of interest in the case.

With that in mind, do I have any breakdowns in logic in the above? Have I overlooked something? Thanks.


No, that's excellent thinking. I especially appreciate the information even though I'm interested from a security guard aspect instead of a food worker. However there are more than a few who think he is dressed like a food worker as well (or more precisely, line chef, that type of thing I believe.)

That's exactly my thinking that he continued on the bus route after parking Jennifer's car rather than returning to the scene of the crime, however, I never envisioned it as a regular bus ride, a stop near the Mosaic, and parking the car five hours later a mile and half on down the bus route at a spot convenient to catch the bus and continue his regular bus ride home.

Some, including semi-famous people I guess, drew a circle around the corner of Americana and Texas and said he probably lives in that circle. I think the suspect was trying to make people think that someone there stole the car, but for that same reason parking anywhere close to where they live (or even pinpoints them in that virtual circled area) is not something a person would do unless necessary. And with bus lines running up and down both Americana and Texas, it isn't necessary.

Taking that thought a bit further, it's been my thought that if someone were actually going to return to the Mosaic, they would park in one of those many convenient spots down Americana toward the mall not that far from the Mosaic. I mean is someone really going to walk a mile and a half down Americana in broad daylight back to the Mosaic, easily seen by people he wouldn't want to be seen and remembered by, just to imply that someone abandoning Jennifer's car in Huntington on the Green apartment parking lot is badder than someone abandoning Jennifer's car in nearby strip mall parking?

I can't believe he would, and I discount the search dog returning to the Mosaic unless he or she were say brought down Texas from the north to Jennifer's car and found their way to the Mosaic from there. All that running back and forth between the Mosaic and HOTG first could not have been helpful.

I think if someone were to regularly ride a bus up line 40 to the mall, then across Americana, they would either stop at Texas to take a bus a short ways south or continue north on Texas, or not stop at Texas but continue on to Orange Blossom and north on Orange Blossom.

I could be wrong, but I think there was a bus stop more or less across the street on Texas from the parking lot where the suspect was pictured, say at the entrance to the strip mall parking lot there. The suspect was walking on down the lane in the complex along Texas to more or less the corner of Texas and Americana. Catty corner from there is a covered bus stop to continue on down Americana to Orange Blossom. That is my thinking where he was headed.

That he might have been a regular on that bus route but on that day finished the ride from Texas and Americana five hours later is definitely something multiple people have a chance of remembering portions that were out of the norm. It is quite interesting, and makes a lot of sense to me.

While not wanting to throw you off your thinking, in my POI blowup thread I posted a picture of biking shoes right below the POI still. It looks perfectly clear to me in great detail to be biking shoes with white athletic socks and uniform colored long pants suitable for biking. I have a picture of that exact armed bike patrol uniform I found in a south Florida security company ad after weeks and weeks of searching. The company lost their license later and the source of that uniform and how many people might have had it I don't have the wherewithall to determine, but finding it confirmed that what I found in the pictures exists.

But regardless, I think you're on to something here.

rd

[rd]

Let me see if I could develop your idea of a security guard who has a bike.

There are plenty of security guards who work the midnight shift and there appear to be plenty of businesses in the area who would use them, e.g. the nearby mall.

The closely cuffed pants would be consistent with someone who rides a bike.

And your theory really does explain the bloodhound tracking from the car to the condos.) "Bo took a sniff of the driver's seat and pulled handler Sgt. Jeff Brown at a loping pace for a mile.")

1. I know I have the bus theory, but the bloodhound tracking is hard to ignore, especially 2 days after the crime. The scent was very strong (even with 14 mph winds in the preceding days), so it indicates that the POI walked from the car at HOTG back to the condos.

2. The reports say that the bloodhound overshot the condo entrance, but then was able to pick up the scent again on the grounds of the condo. My theory here is that the POI walked by the entrance because he wasn't comfortable entering at that time. Perhaps there was traffic in the street or he saw a car exiting the compound, so he walked by until the coast was clear, and then he tracked back. Trained bloodhounds can get confused at first with a backtrack, but they are able to pick up on it with an experienced handler and re-find the trail.

3. The scent also appears to be too strong for a "residual scent" where the bloodhound picks up the scent of someone who was riding in a car or bus. The POI walked. It does seem stupid, must he must have felt safe after he ditched the car and got out of sight.

4. I believe reports that the bloodhound tracked the scent to the parking lot area, but not the reports that say to her front door or her stairway. Really now - who would return to the victim's door after such a crime?

5. This is my best shot with taking your theory and combining it with the bloodhound evidence: The POI parked the car, and walked back to the condos merely to retrieve his bike.

This is just another scenario I am developing, but do you see any logic shortfalls with this scenario?


I think that's as viable as any. It's pretty much what most people think except for not being an illegal construction worker and living there.

But that gets us away from your bus line thoughts. I don't know that the suspect if wearing a bike riding outfit as appears to me would necessarily have a bike for this attack. Do security guards change out of uniform after shift to go home? I know there are bike riding security guards, from my research I believe both Universal and Disney, however, this uniform is extremely distinctive and I'm assuming not known to be used in Orlando area given no one has recognized it.

The arming is something that wouldn't necessarily be used at work. This guy appears to be a wannabe cop to me with this getup, and one of those police impersonators who assault women. I was thinking either current or ex security guard, and that the source of that particular uniform and who may use it would be helpful in identifying potential suspects.

But how one would be getting to Jennifer's complex to assault her in early morning was a question itself (easily answered with the resident illegal), and I had in the past considered that she had gone out to deliver the cellphone package for overnighting. However it's been posted with some authority that she wouldn't have any need to do that, and so the assaulter stalking her in her parking lot was still unaddressed.

Your scenario makes a lot of sense in dealing with that.

rd

[rd]

from helpfindthemissing, annalyzer wrote:
My brother rd worked long and hard on this case. This is his site.

http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3402

and if I'd went there in the first place I would've seen the video first thing.

hi annalyzer, nope, don't have the video [oh, I see you were referring to the posted link :)]. The few times I saw it was linked at Orlando Sentinel. I'll be honest with you, it's so dark I have no idea what's going on.

What I have are three stills from the video, the two posted on HFTM and a third (suspect behind the tree) that was on a pic site, can't remember which one. I had to do some major brightness adjustments to be able to see details in them too.

All the work is in my Blowup of Jennifer Kesse person of interest / suspect thread. It took months to put together. It's a bit overwhelming without spending a lot of time examining it. Well, even then it's a bit overwhelming.

thanks for the mention.

rd

[rd]

A few others have suggested in the past. How about filing a civil suit for negligent security against the Owner, Developer, and Property Management Company? Obviously not for monetary purposes and may not have proof of a crime on the property, but to possibly get access themselves to certain records / information?

I agree. At this point the branches need to be shaken and see what falls.

At a minimum the surveillance camera needs to be examined and tests done to see what color clothes are rendered (dark police uniforms came out light, "we were sort of concerned" says the police), what distortions if any are made by fisheye lens (clown sized shoes), and walk test subjects by to compare for height, build, etc. at the slow rate the camera is set for, the settings also need to be obtained for test camera of same model.

The police won't do it, and this will sit unless someone with a right to do it takes action as you suggest.

Good suggestion.

rd

[rd]

I said this ages ago if they are not gonna take this camera apart and try to figure out some key details then they need to get the exact settings and same camera take it in a lab build a replica of the scene right down to the inch and start walking guys by the fence at different hieghts and colour shirts a hat whatever they have to do to completly duplicate the perp.

And should have been done ages ago.

rd

[jane]

CanManEh sounds as though he thinks they actually want to solve crimes, rd. That's a big assumption to make...
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[rd]

[ajsquaredaway]

I cannot remember what I saw on the news yesterday, but I can clearly remember four and one-half years ago when I first saw the Jennifer Kesse case on Greta's show.

My first recollection was that I was looking through a typically distorted perspective camera angle, simultaneously hearing a description of a person of interest, and additionally, being told that it could be a female. What I saw was a lean, lanky man in some type of work clothing. The what, where, hows, and whys were not revealed, and the connection to the car were not known to me until recently.

The information shows that Jennifer was safety conscious, so I doubt that she would make a midnight run to a FedEx, UPS drop box for no good reason because the pick-ups are earlier in the day. The parents revealed that her shower and towel were wet, and clothes on the bed points to her getting up, possibly early, to go mail the package. If she went to a mall near a construction area looking for a drop box, and a bike patrol, Segway patrol, or impersonator approached her before daylight, at least a reasonable scenario can emerge. Nothing that I can see indicates that the guy knew where she lived, but again, I didn't know the connection between the guy and the car until now.

With a new group of investigators reviewing the facts, I'm sure the physical description of the suspect and other specifics will be re-examined.
Unfortunately, the original investigators lost two days because the crime scene was elsewhere.

AJ

[rd]

hi AJ, and welcome. Four and a half years later, you would think that the only clue in Jennifer's disappearance, the surveillamce video of the person parking Jemmifer's car, would have been examined with a fine toothed comb and results widely disseminated to the public for clues.

Instead, four and half years later, it's handed off to the FBI. If anyone has examined it with a fine toothed comb, it's me, and no one has even talked to me about it. The only comments from Orlando police to the public is that it's about a 5'4" person, don't worry about the clothes.

Pretty amazing. If you're a loved one of Jennifer Kesse, all you can do is cry. It is that sad.

My first recollection was that I was looking through a typically distorted perspective camera angle...

This is an amazingly insightful statement. In four and half years I have not seen anyone outside of this site recognize this or the police refer to it. It is fundamental, and shows that you have an experienced eye at examining images. That's a welcome start indeed.

...a lean, lanky man...

That is interesting. With the 5'4" description, everyone else is expecting some kind of short, squat person, they have settled on an illegal immigrant Latino from the start. In fact, they have determined that the illegal immigrant is long gone back to whatever country he came from and it is a waste of time to consider Jennifer's case. That is publically posted by people, and I believe is what the Orlando police have believed all along. Thus nothing done.

My own personal observation of the scene when I was there and the analysis of a couple of others elsewhere who examined the scene is that of a medium height man, about 5'9" to 5'11". The picture indeed is of a lean person.

I put tremendous effort into analyzing the surveillance video stills from the end of the poolhouse roof to the gate, but none in the video from the side of the poolhouse roof to the entrance that also covers the parking spot where the car was parked. Obviously a very wide angle shot from left where the car was parked to right to the street entrance.

I played the video a couple of times from the Orlando newspaper site and it showed as a small window on my screen. The image was so dark that I could make nothing out. I've seen lots of comments on it but I wasn't able to glean anything from it to confirm anyone's estimate of build and height including my own.

Your thoughts on sending the package out of a cellphone back to her brother's friend are the same as mine, but a person who's close to the family who has posted here says that he is absolutely sure that Jennifer both could ship a package from work and that she hadn't indicated she was in a rush to send it back, even though the original news articles stated that her brother requested she overnight it back to the friend because he needed it.

I have long asked those questions, and was commented on it only a year or two ago on it here. I will take his word for it, I have no reason to believe otherwise, but apparently there is no one that believes she went out early morning to overnight the package as I originally thought.

I agree with you, there is no way she went out late night as police suggested for many, many reasons, some so fundamental you have to wonder how the police could make such a suggestion. For example, she would need overnight shipping material and a shipping account number to be able to drop a package off in a pickup box somewhere. This is really fundamental stuff.

The new group of people examining the case you refer to must be the FBI. I certainly hope they look at what I've presented here closely, and if they do they should certainly have some questions which I'll be more than happy to answer.

Looking forward to more of your analysis, AJ.

rd

[ajsquaredaway]

Thanks.

There's no way I could give a reasonable estimate of height without some accurate on-scene measurements. One man with a survey stick would suffice most days.

However, to close this subject, the paving to the gate and beyond to the curb is pitched-away (down) from the pool area. Also, there is a curb. So the height of the individual is more than a few inches more than the bottom of the gate.

I fiddled with wrought iron gates in my day, and the industry standard for picket (verticle member) separation for child safety is that an opening must be LESS than 4 inches apart.

I am going to ask rd to attach a picture of Hataway (I can't for unk reason) because he's wearing a light trouser with a distinctive mark on the left leg.

I'm sure the FBI will be all over him like a cheap suit...

AJ

[rd]

On that, what you can do is copy in a link to the site page, possibly a link to the picture. Some sites won't display the picture to a link from elsewhere.

You can try the image only. Right click over the image and click on Copy Image Location, then Paste between [img] and [/img], such as



http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/index.php

Also include a link to the site where the image comes from.

thanks
rd

[ajsquaredaway]

Being optomistic sure is better than the converse.

A lot of these cases take too long to solve for the impatient (myself especially).

A collage of pictures that loser Hataway posted on his myspace page clearly show him wearing khaki pants with darks spots, a strap mark on his left thigh, white socks, and fancy black hiking shoes. I cannot imagine why he wanted to photograph himself with the bloodied knuckles, scrapes and cuts on various parts of his body, and stained pants. (back to sociopath 101)

Somewhere I read when he got stabbed in the abdomen and it was after January 2006. The bare chested pictures of him in the khakis clearly are before he was stabbed. Also, he is much thinner in the bare chested photos.

As is inferred in the info, the police are focusing on Hataway for the JK case.

After seeing all of this, I am convinced that time will resolve this case.

RD (and others) should be commended for focusing on the video (on the facts). It would be too easy to dismiss the bad visuals, but without knowing other evidence, this is all that was presentable.

Well, RD, a lot of people were listening to what you worked-on for many hours. Hopefully, the suspect confesses and gives closure for the families. The rest of us move-on, but the families are still looking for answers everyday.

AJ

[rd]

Yes, they are. Well put, AJ. It possibly went from don't need to study the surveillance video because the illegal Latino fled the country to don't need to study the video because Hataway did it, but in any event the surveillance video hasn't been probed enough.

rd