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rd
Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 9277 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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hey, that's great J4J. Yes, two cameras. The one you noted facing the gate took the stills we're analyzing. That's the one that model and settings are needed for testing.
The other one was around the side overlooking the pool out to the main entrance drive. That's the one the video came off of. Are they different? I don't know, but the only one that matters is that one facing the gate where the stills came from.
Distance and angle is pretty much what you saw. The real key is what that camera does to images. Only testing will determine that. That will be so helpful if we're able to do that.
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UCFAlum2002
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 49 Location: Florida
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:24 pm Post subject: Re: Hi, new here. |
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Hi CM7...
I've been really involved in this case since the beginning and just wanted to clarify a few things.
1) She did not leave her purse behind. It is still missing. The picture on the www.findjenniferkesse.com website is the picture of her purse from another time to show people what to look out for.
2) Her boyfriend is 100% cleared in this case so not a suspect in any way shape or form. The police have publicly declared this and I personally believe it 150%!
I'm interested in why you say the poi is a blonde... that is a first for me.
Looking forward to reading more from you!
Thanks,
UCFAlum2002
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First the facts before the hunches and please correct me if I am wrong.
Jennifer got up to get ready for work, took a shower and pulled some clothes out to decide what to wear.
How many of you get up in the morning, go unlock your door and then get in the shower? Hopefully none. I certainly wouldn't. Again, correct me if I am wrong but she left her purse behind. She had planned to come back before heading to work. perhaps she went to a store for something she needed, but without her purse?... perhaps... but ~maybe~ someone who she knew without a car (normally on a bike) knocked on her door and gave her some line and as a kind favor agreed to run them down the street real quick... and that is the point when she unlocked the door. Willingly. Someone she was not afraid but not a significant enough acquaintance for her normal circle of friends and family to even know about... maybe someone she had seen in the neighborhood who had made efforts to talk to her, but who did not have her number or any such info to where she could be bothered by him... only knowing where she lived. For theory's sake, she agrees to the favor and somehow it becomes something altogether different between her house and the destination that is perhaps alarmingly close to where she lived. Perhaps it was an intentional pre-meditated murder or perhaps it was what was supposed to be an abduction, or maybe a fight ensued, or maybe an accident happened, but the POI knows he now (and I do believe it is male) has to get rid of her car because they are going to be looking for it soon, so he brings it to a location close to her house perhaps to a location close to where he left his bike... when he ditched it to walk on foot to her condo to ask for a ride with some excuse like it was stolen.
If this is a feasible theory then it furthers the idea that they KNEW each other. Maybe he was merely trying to get her alone and not actually take her life but something went wrong? Either way, it seems very likely he had planned this out... and I certainly agree that from the tape he is booking it out of there. He is in quite a hurry for someone who has done nothing wrong.
Not so sure if I think it is related to her work, or her bf, but rather a nobody who was not happy with his status, but that he did indeed know her.
That is merely the tip of the ice burg of my theory. It keeps going to a point that after two years, still has the ability to keep me up at night thinking there must be some answer and some way to help shed even a glimpse of light on this. It even involves an armed robbery that occurred not far from that area that I think could be involved in the suspects attempt to flee the US from a Tampa airport across the gulf to Mexico. I called the information line in 06 when it became, in my opinion, clear that they in some way knew each other... somehow. Someone answered the phone and I think I might have started the conversation with something about seeing this case on the news, which (and this part I am certain of) was followed by my inquiry about Jennifer's female friends and acquaintances. If it is someone she knew, they managed to slip completely under the radar, but I considered that if she ever socialized in clubs or lounges with her friends that perhaps this POI had been casually invited to be introduced to any one of her single friends... if even just for a split second such as "Hi, this is so-n-so" in dimly lit crowded club and then POI gets the hint, is frustrated at the deferred rejection and walks off into the crowd.....?? Not saying this actually happened but it's possible. Very possible and if the chance has it that it did, I would like to compare this info to who I think might be a possible suspect. perhaps a momment so fleeting followed by, "who was that?"...."just some guy, don't really know him that well"... and it's forgotten. Things like this happen ALL the time in social get-togethers! None of that would be of much help unless a name or face is remembered and I imagine the description which would follow, had this happened, would be way too vague to tell anyone anything... unless someone already had a person in mind as to who this might be to compare it to... and I do have someone in mind... an armed robbery suspect arrested in that area not too long after she went missing.
Hunches are not something you can just spit out. They have to be walked around carefully and methodically allowing one point to lead to another, careful not to jump to conclusions and this was the reason for the question I asked the man who answered the phone on the information line... who much to my discouragement, before I even got done speaking the first sentence of the question!... retorted with "*BIG SIGH*.....We have people working on this and I assure you they are looking into all this.... if you have any actual information about where she might be, THEN you can call us back"
*click*
I know I may be a somewhat annoying person to talk to at times but I was stunned by this. Completely stunned! It almost made me feel that the person on the phone was guilty of something!... but I considered issues with bad info due to a lofty reward and am now just left to think "Gee, what an a$$hole"
Small details on their own may be next to nothing, but in parallel... they may tell quite a story. I have seen it too many times in my life.
The clothes... Could it be possible he took her clothes, put them on to get in her car without spreading any evidence he was there? If so, it worked... did it not? They found nothing... or that's what we are told. In around 30 seconds he must have been able to assure himself he did not leave any traces... but did not linger even a full minute to double-check.
There are other things that may sound too crazy to mention at the moment and guesses are just that... guesses, but there is one guy in particular I would love to have more info on in light of this case. It would be completely unethical for me to point a guessing finger, even if it is a good guess at anyone on a public forum without more substantial proof... and I think that proof might be there, it is just unattainable to me from my position... and we don't ask the police questions and they don't give us the info... THEY ask the question and WE give the info, so long as it undoubted fact. Everybody knows that's how it goes. I don't want to make myself sound as though I have something against the police but like anything in life, no one is perfect and there are bad apples in every bunch. I am certain that someone is working as hard as they can on this case. It is just unfortunate they are out of leads. Perhaps it would not hurt to at least look into some guesses. What is there to lose but maybe a small amount of time if the guesses are wrong?
Let me close by saying this... and I do apologize for my wordiness but I have always felt the net to be a place where I could say what was on my mind in a world where it seems people everywhere are just refusing to listen.
My last thoughts for now until something else turns up that might make me feel comfortable in bringing to light another one of my mere hunches is this.
I say the suspect is a blonde.
I am curious to know what anyone thinks about this. |
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rd
Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 9277 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for those clarifications, UCFAlum.
J4J, I posted three of your pictures in the Jennifer Kesse Suspect Blowup thread. Thanks for those helpful shots. Here's what I wrote:
Site member J4J took these shots looking back from the gate to the camera that took the stills. The third picture is looking back as the suspect did from the gate across the pool to where he parked Jennifer's car. It was parked where the white van is.
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tampadjd
Joined: 24 May 2009 Posts: 1
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rd
Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 9277 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 10:51 am Post subject: |
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hi tampadjd, and welcome. Yes, I believe there's a previous post about the arrest warrant that was issued for that park employee, thanks for the info and link.
That's a lot of info you just went through. :) Please feel welcome to add your thoughts.
thanks
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rd
Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 9277 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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from Orlando Sentinel crime blog Homicide Report:
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_homicide/2009/05/today-would-be-jennifer-kesses-28th-birthday.html
Camille-Toronto Canada wrote:
I wish Nancy Grace would do a show on Jennifer Kesse again. It is frightening to think a young woman could go missing so mysteriously with no trace. I am a firm believer in security cameras EVERYWHERE. It may not prevent the crime - but it sure makes solving it easier. Unfortunately, there was only one camera catching a glimpse of a possible witness/person of interest. There should be security cameras on the entrances to buildings, in the lobby, street corners etc. When in public areas, security is more important than privacy.
The only people who should NOT want multi-cameras are those who perpetrate crimes.
I agree with the sentiments on multiple cameras, but the entrance where Jennifer's car was driven in and parked was covered by two cameras, not one.
One camera recorded Jennifer's car driven in and parked, the other recorded the suspect walking back around the swimming pool fence and away.
It is also not accurate to say that the camera only caught a glimpse of the suspect. With incredibly bad luck in timing, both stills dead ahead of the camera have his face obscured by fence railing posts. Had that not happened, his face likely would have been recognizable.
So although I agree with the sentiment of your post, just want to set the record straight as far as facts go.
(I still would like to get the model and settings of that surveillance camera to get one and verify what kind of images it produces, but people in Orlando who have checked into it have not been successful so far. The details of the camera model were never reported AFAIK.)
thanks,
rd
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UCFAlum2002
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 49 Location: Florida
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:21 am Post subject: |
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RD- not sure if you have heard about Missing Tracy Ocasio from Ocoee (where Jenn worked) after she left a sports bar with James Virgil Hataway (height 5'9). Please check him out and compare him to what you've been able to see. In one of the videos re bond he had a shirt with some sort of badge-like emblem.
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rd
Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 9277 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 2:32 am Post subject: |
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Yes, UCF, I've been following that. There's a lot to be suspicious about with this character and associates. Tracy Ocasio missing, her car 150 yards from this creep's house, her cell phone pinging a cell tower yards away from his house at 8:30 the next morning.
This Hataway guy appears to have made her disappear, and is associated with Jennifer both with the Florida Tap Room which Jennifer used to live near and visited occasionaly, and with living in Ocoee where Jennifer worked and lived until she bought her condo two months before she disappeared.
Then before that he's seen with two other guys coming out of woods near a car of a guy who disappeared.
But before that, a year ago, he lived in Casselberry and again tried to murder a woman who gave him a ride home. The details aren't pretty. Tried to strangle her, she managed to get out of the car and he chased he down in the street, grabbed her head by the hair, and started banging her head on the street pavement and tried to snap her head and break her neck.
Only neighbors who came out to see what the ruckus was saved her life.
Looking at one picture of him, son of a gun if he doesn't have a beard like in the POI photo. Picture below:
Then it gets to some more serious coincidences. Hataway used to live in Hillsborough County, the Tampa Bay area, where the Kesse's live. And then something really interesting that I didn't know about. According to the post, Jennifer was a member of the Cardio Club next to the Florida Tap Room, and Hataway and Greg Toole, himself another interesting character, 5'5", registered sex offender and felon, worked there occasionally as trainers. So the world just got a lot smaller.
Here's the part that I hadn't heard of before. According to the post, Jennifer's family says Jennifer was known to keep a gym bag in her trunk and that is missing along with her purse, keys, cell phone, and briefcase (which purse or briefcase held her brother's friend's cellphone she was to overnight to him, which is also missing).
And they are the same age (Hataway is 27) and he lived in Tampa as a teenager. That maybe just a real coincidence though, I think.
And on top of everything else, what does this guy do for a living? Illegal debris and waste dumping and dredging ponds.
Could there be any other experience more suited to successfully hiding bodies than that? I don't think so.
But I looked for a security guard background for Hataway or Toole and they don't have any, and Hataway doesn't appear to be sophisticated enough to impersonate LE and use a taser in an assault on a woman.
I also have a problem with driving from Ocoee to the area of Jennifer's condo to assault her as she comes out to go to work, parking at least a mile away and walking there sometime in early morning to ambush her, then driving her car somewhere and eventually parking it at the Huntington presumably near where he had parked his car early that morning.
He would have to be very familiar with Jennifer's routine on Conroy two months after she had moved from Ocoee, and familiar with her schedule. For example, the previous morning she wasn't home, she had driven straight to work from Ft. Lauderdale.
And I think someone intent on a sexual assault who is stalking her in her parking lot would push her back into her apartment rather than somehow subdue her and then drive off somewhere in her car, and of course the whole early morning thing to plan a sexual assault and murder on someone they knew of from Ocoee is just very strange. His other two assaults since Jennifer disappeared were from getting rides home from bars at closing time.
But there is a major connection here, to be sure.
rd
Here's all the links:
WDBO Local News
Seminole County woman claims Ocasio's suspect tried to kill her
By WDBO Staff
June 2, 2009
http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/06/seminole-county-woman-claims-o.html
WDBO Local News
Similarities in Kesse and Ocasio disappearances
By Joe Ruble
June 5, 2009
http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/06/similarities-in-kesse-and-ocas.html
Award Offered In Missing Woman Case
Police Say Tracy Ocasio Left Bar With James Hataway
WESH.com
June 4, 2009
http://www.wesh.com/news/19630001/detail.html
Suspect In Missing Woman Case May Be Tied To 5 Others
WFTV.com
June 4, 2009
http://www.wftv.com/news/19648776/detail.html
Prime suspect in disappearance of Ocoee woman Tracy Ocasio linked to Jennifer Kesse
blinkoncrime.com
June 5, 2009
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/06/05/prime-suspect-in-disappearance-of-ocoee-woman-tracy-ocasio-james-hataway-linked-to-jennifer-kesse/
Jennifer Kesse family sees possible connection to Ocoee case
By Bianca Prieto and Susan Jacobson
Orlando Sentinel Staff Writers
June 6, 2009
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-tracy-ocasio-060509,0,2057126.story |
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rd
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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Someone told me via email that Rachel is in a group picture with some of the people named here, and wondered how Hataway may have got to Jennifer's condo to assault her.
I replied:
Rachel is in the picture? wow, that is one nasty crowd. Toole was quoted as saying Hataway was a good guy, wouldn't do something like this, and this coming from a registered sex offender who actually hasn't been registering since he was released from prison on felon cocaine charges.
And an ex of some type posting that he was gentle, wouldn't do something like this (perhaps not knowing Rachel would come forth), and someone did a check on her and she has a recent multiple DUI and assaults background.
And on and on.
However strong that connection to Jennifer is though, I can't see to plug in this guy into the assumed scenario of someone ambushing Jennifer as she came out to her car to go to work in the morning. But as for getting there, I suppose it would be with whatever he drove to do his illegal dumping at night, I assume with his father's vehicle that they used to dredge ponds with, undoubtedly a pickup of some sort.
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rd
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:26 am Post subject: |
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There are a couple of pictures floating around of Hataway. One shows him in a blue shirt with a logo on the chest and wearing a black cap backwards, the other he's younger and has hair cut in a strange style that actually resembles the black hat.
I can go with the back being a baseball cap visor, simply because we can see so little of it. But there are three additional aspects picturewise in addition to everything else:
- his beard which the suspect appears to have in photo three when he looks back
- his very large dark eyes as seen in previous photo. They were strange looking in photo three, and I noticed the same kind of look in the photo above. In addition the basic shape of face and nose matches as well.
- the logo on his t-shirt. I have searched far and wide for logos that matched photo one. That has the basic shape and position on his chest that I described in the beginning.
This really does closely resemble the suspect. There's something strange about the timing, but given resemblance, familiarity with knowledge of Jennifer, and his horrendous background, including telling art least one friend he wanted to kill women, this is probably the POI.
There's lots of questions to answer first though.
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Rainbow
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:17 pm Post subject: Thoroughness |
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rd
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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well, as you well know Rainbow, some cases people actually try to find the real guilty person rather than ignoring all evidence and finding someone to pin the murder on for the convenience of various parties.
There was some of that here in the beginning in trying to pin on a profile of another illegal immigrant, a Latino man of short stature, and as in Chandra's case, I keep looking at the facts and laying them out no matter how inconvenient it is to the police storyline.
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rd
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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in response to an email that suggested Toole may be the POI:
I think the only thing that is compelling about Toole as the POI is his 5'5" height if one believed that estimate from the police. However, I don't. It looks to me compared to the palm tree (and some distance out from it) that he is average height, perhaps the 5'9" of Hataway.
But way more importantly is Hataway's history of actually murdering and attempted murdering of women, the hat and hairstyle in other pictures of him both of which look like the POI, and his beard, eyes, and face shape which look like the POI.
But like you say Toole was in the area of Hataway's house in the disappearance last week and he could be involved in Jennifer's disappearance. But I see nothing that resembles the POI in Toole except a 5'5" height which I disagree with.
By the way, Hataway is heavily tattooed and at least has potential for some of those tattoos to be the source of markings I've noted around the POI's neck, shoulder, and back. And as I noted in a previous post, the logo on the chest of his jersey in one picture is the general shape of the logo as I wrote about a couple of years ago. Something similar anyway.
Of course I can't figure what anyone is doing stalking and attacking Jennifer at that time of morning or the police equipment I see but there's probably a scenario where it all fits together if we figure it out.
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Hannah
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:53 pm Post subject: Hearing Impairment Connection |
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Does anyone remember when Jennifer's picture was showing up on dating websites? One of those posts was on a senior citizen dating site and the girl identified herself as "LindaNeedsLove". She posted that she was a 25 year old girl with a 75% hearing impairment that was looking for an older man for a friend and a loving relationship.
I always wondered if it was Jennifer actually trying to drop a clue as to where she was or who she was with. It is interesting that she identified herself as a 25 year old (Jennifer's approximate age at the time) and mentioned the 75% hearing impairment. It is my understanding that James Hataway's parents are hearing impaired but not completely deaf. |
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jane
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Hannah,
Well, it certainly would be great if Jennifer were alive.
But the scenario you described is difficult to imagine being true, IMO. If Hataway was the person who abducted Jennifer, I can hardly believe he would allow her to stay alive in captivity for any length of time - one girl only made it to the sidewalk outside the bar before he started beating her - it would have been to death if not for intervention by bystanders. _________________ "There is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known."
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