www.justiceforchandra.com

[MrRich]

[rd]

not a motive to coverup by new administration, rather an enabling of local DC police / prosecutors / US Attorney of some sort, not an enabling by a Democratic majority in Congress but by the new adminstration, one which I support by the way.

What exactly I want to know. The finding of DNA and timing as soon as the Democrats come into office is highly suspicious to me.

rd

[sigsky]

Hello, I'm not sure that I have ever posted to this forum but I have been following it for some time as I am somewhat obsessed with the Chandra Levy murder. I own rd's book and consider it a valuable reference. I wish to thank the contributors to this site for keeping the investigation alive so to speak. I almost attempted to visit Rock Creek Park about a year ago but circumstances didn't allow it. I may do so yet. My hope is that some day a confession will result in a total resolution for the Levys and everyone else interested but like those who are posting here, I don't believe it will come from Mr. Guandique.

I too am troubled by the recent inference that the current revelations are connected to the Democrat Party's success in last year's election. It makes no sense to me. Gary Condit is only remembered infrequently when the Levy murder is brought up and I don't believe anyone today associates him with today's Democrat Party. I'm sure that the Democrat powers that be would prefer Condit's name never be mentioned again rather than have this new circus drag him back into the limelight. Even if he is proven to have nothing to do with Chandra's death, he will still be remembered as a despicable human being. Unless someone can better explain the motivations behind this connection, I have to dismiss it as a crackpot conspiracy theory, something I have never associated with this site. Sorry, that's how I feel but I am still listening.

If it matters, I voted, but not for either McCain or Obama.

[scott20037]

I hate to be a contrarian, and I suspect I will get flamed for saying what I am about to say, but I would counsel patience in assessing the new (reportedly DNA) evidence tying Guandique to the murder.

RD has done a valuable service in creating a plausible and coherent theory tying together motive, opportunity, means, psychological profile, and the other elements necessary to implicate Condit. Up to now, I have believed all of that was the likeliest theory, mainly because as we know Chandra was very attuned to security and would most likely not have gone to Rock Creek unless she was invited there, and in light of Condit's know past history in using threats to try to enforce silence around his affairs. I still believe that the most likely theory, and remain to be convinced regarding whatever new DNA evidence there may be.

BUT, theories are only theories and a good investigator knows that the worst thing he/she can do is let a theory blind them to facts and possibilities. So if new enhanced DNA techniques have enable, e.g., small traces of blood on the knotted pants to be sequenced, then I for one will tend to believe Guandique is in fact guilty, if the chain of custody of the pants and the lab work is trustworthy, which is a big if, for sure.

I have lived in DC for 30 years and am as cynical as the next guy about how politics operates in this town. But frankly the idea that a Democrat's taking over the White House has any anything to do with this new development is ludicrous and shows a certain paranoid mentality. Why didn't something happen when the Democrats took control of the House, or of the Senate, which happened years ago? It's fair to say Obama, Holder and the rest of the administration have a lot of things to do these days, but nowhere on their list of priorities will you find trying to exonerate or cover up for a slimy ex-Congressman from California.

I also am not a believer in grand conspiracies, as conspiracies are very hard to keep hidden. I am considerably more open to the possibility of police misconduct, which in this case could plausibly be motivated by a desire to overcome the shame created by the Washington Post story of last year, which certainly made the DC police look like a bunch of incompetent buffoons. It is just conceivable, although quite unlikely to me, that police somehow managed to get a blood or semen sample from Guandique and plant it on the pants.

One more thing, as RD seems to place great emphasis on the fact that the horse trail site was very far away from Chandra's apartment. For a person in good shape, as Chandra was, the spot she was found might be an hour's brisk walk away from her apartment. It is not out of the question that Chandra, while cognizant of security, might have taken a long walk if, as we think was the case, she had just lost her job, was excited about something big happening with Condit but didn't know how it was going to work out, was at loose ends, and was looking to "get out of the house" and go for a long walk to think things over. Of course you can find arguments for why she would not have done this, but can you exclude the possibility? Love can make one blind to dangers, and if she really thought Condit was going to marry her, maybe she felt giddy and invulnerable and just happened to be out in Rock Creek Park at exactly the moment she should not have been.

(BTW, Rock Creek Park, while administered by the National Park Service, is not a "national park" as that term is generally used. It is a municipal type park, although certainly it does have many acres of woods.)

So please, do not, in the name of preserving RD's very good theory, veer away from RD's cool and careful analysis to start cooking up political conspiracy theories. Instead, get all the facts and direct the analysis at the chain of custody for the new evidence, the quality of the lab work and the people involved, and the improvements in DNA techniques that may have made a conclusion possible today which wasn't possible last year.

[rd]

thank you for that input, sigsky and scott. I emphasize that I am suspicious of the timing, and am talking about low level enabling by a change of administration. A new US Attorney? Changes at the Justice Department? The DC police feel emboldened and waited till now?

I am a registered Democrat. I voted for Hillary and support our new administration. However...

This action is being taken by DC locals. The action is being taken as the new administration takes office, making new appointments, perhaps affecting the US Attorney's office in DC.

The US Attorney's office has affected this case from the beginning. The back and forth jurisdiction between the DC police and FBI has affected this case from the beginning.

I want to know what happened and why it happened that as soon as the Democrats swept into control that this DNA evidence was discovered.

And yes, Condit is an embarrassment to the Democrats. That's the whole point. It would not go over well to have an investigation and prosecution of Condit because some big name Democrats in the House were involved in 2001 as Condit stymied the investigation.

However, your points are well taken and need to be aired so that everyone understands this is not some right wing hate machine going, it's legitimately questioning something I am highly suspicious of. Obviously Democrats in high office are not involved in these things, these are decisions made in DC and or FBI and the timing is also highly suspicious.

I have fought the news media's misrepresentation of facts from the beginning and this is another round. I won't stand by idly and watch a whitewash take place to pin the murder on someone who isn't a powerful congressman and yes, a major embarrassment to them.

I will also not stand by idly and see Chandra convicted of gross stupidity doing things that no sane person would or could do. At this point the man in the street reaction is that's what she gets for jogging in the park alone.

For that alone we are already seeing a miscarriage of justice, not justice for Chandra.

I walked that route, not in one fell swoop, even I'm not that dumb, but the portion I wrote up in the book was getting to Klingle Mansion and then on down Beach jogging paths and then up the horse trail to picnic area 18.

No one would consider a woman close to them sane to do this. No one who purports she was jogging in the park can possibly take anything about Chandra's life in perspective concerning it.

In addtion to just being plumb loco to walk the streets and roads and into, look it's a national forest and to call where she was a park is also an injustice, it was in the middle of a primieval forest, knowing that she constantly monitored for messages from Condit, knowing that she has never jogged / briskly walked outdoors down streets or out on jogging trails, knowing that every body found in Rock Creek Park was dumped there, it is wrong, wrong, wrong to place her there alone because her body was found there. Wrong on every conceivable count.

I will accept anything that starts with Chandra being driven there and her body dumped and hidden, but I will not accept on any basis whatsoever Chandra being positioned as someone who would have to be on a suicide death march to do, which is exactly what Condit led the police to believe in the beginning.

So yes, I said I will wait to see what this DNA evidence is, where it came from, how it came to be discovered just now as a Democratic administration rolls in with changes eight years later, and will do everything I can to make sure that Chandra isn't a victim again in the need to place her and Guandique together up on top of that mountain to explain a death that is only explainable by driving to picnic area #18 and hiding her body.

So it begins. I welcome your counsel.

regards,
rd

[rd]

from HFTM:

LiveLaughLuv wrote: The MO is different why would this cellmate implicate Guandique? How would he know to place him with Levy or the park?

I agree with all your points, Luv. The answer to this question is that Guandique was in jail for attacks on two different women jogging along Beach Drive in Rock Creek Park. The search for Chandra in that park was well publicized on national tv. All the jailhouse informant did was say that Guandique told him he stabbed her to death in the park.

He said nothing that wasn't publically known, and he made up the story about Guandique and failed a lie detector test (and Guandique passed his).

This is all well known and I cover it in Chapter Guandique in my book, which I hope you all get a chance to read. It comes up in searches on Chandra.

I agree with all the questions about DNA evidence now being found and will wait to see what the claim is. I cover how badly the crime scene was handled and her body and remains in the coroner's building for a year in the book. Three independent experts that are seen often on tv crime talk shows representing the family were refused access to look for DNA and other evidence with their equipment.

Most importantly to me is the memory of Chandra being thrown to the wolves to place her willingly alone in the middle of a forest on top of a mountain, against every context of her life, for example that she constantly monitored for messages from Condit and to be without her phone could only mean she was with him.

But I will accept anything that starts with her being driven to the top of that mountain and her body dumped and hidden as any other body ever found in Rock Creek Park came to be there. The only reason the necessary is being excluded is that Guandique didn't have a car.

Condit had a car kept by one of his aides, but he told the police he didn't have one which also would have ruled him out as being able to drive her there. However the police found out from Anne Marie Smith the airline stewardess other mistress that Condit had a car and drove her around.

That is not the kind of info you will get from Condit in his tell nothing book, I assure you. It will be more of the same of the Connie Chung interview which he ran by the Washington Post last year yet again.

rd

[MrRich]

[rd]

Man's Friends Face Levy Case Grand Jury
By Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, October 4, 2002

Police detectives discounted Guandique as a suspect in Levy's disappearance when he was interviewed in summer 2001 after his attacks on the joggers. That fall, after another inmate said Guandique had told him he killed Levy and left her body in the park, Guandique was given a polygraph test. He passed, but authorities now question the results because the test was done using a Spanish interpreter rather than a bilingual polygraph technician.
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When you're out to railroad someone, truth has to be the first casualty. "Authorities" who questioned the results have always been unnamed, and tearing down Guandique's lie detector test is a necessary prerequisite for them.

As far as I'm concerned "authorities" is Condit's lawyer, the same lawyer who Condit cited in refusing to take the same lie detector test Guandique took and passed.

"Authorities" were trying to undermine Guandique to protect Condit from being investigated.

rd

[peripeteia]

[peripeteia]

rd; you have answered the question regarding the possibility of Ingmar's polygraph being flawed re: language issues
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A vision sent me on the path of seeking justice for Chandra, nothing I've seen in print to date has diminished the vividness but only served to reaffirm the validity of this vision.

[rd]

Giving a lie detector test with a Spanish translator is standard procedure for the Justice Department.

The same polygraph was given with the same Spanish translator to Guandique and the cellmate, and the cellmate failed and Guandique passed was what the polygraph judgement was.

The DC police stood behind the test and procedure, the chief of police scoffed at the whining. Of course, lawyers try to undermine all lie detector tests that go against their client, they keep their clients from taking them, and they are the ones who try to undermine them.

We didn't need a lie detector test when we watched Condit in the Connie Chung interview. Lawyers can undermine all they want, but no one was fooled by Condit's performance.

So no, those close to Condit, his lawyer, have been working to undermine Guandique and keep Condit uninvestiigated from the beginning. They question all lie detector test results, and there is nothing new in what they did here.

The fact that Guandique took it and Condit refused is the only undermining information that anyone should be focused on.

But lawyers get paid for what they do.

rd

[Rainbow]

Wouldn't the dogs have picked up Chandra's scent right in front of her apartment, if she had "gone out jogging". I believe I read that the dogs picked up her scent away from her front door, not right at the door.

[Rainbow]

What changes have occurred in these agencies that you have just mentioned? Do some of them face internal investigations? Are certain individuals facing "Pro-motions" or "De-motions"? Who stands to benefit from a potential conviction of Guandiqe? What kind of "chess-move" is next?

[rd]

Hi Rainbow, there are the normal changes of appointees of a new administration that would affect the Justice Department and US Attorneys, most importantly though would be DC interactions and oversight that influences behavior.

All I'm asking is what happened when. How is it that Guandique's DNA was discovered as soon as the Republicans leave town and the Democrats roll in seven years after Chandra laid in that coroner's office for a year.

If it's alleged new technology, I want to know what it is. I want to know why the three forensic experts technology was not allowed to be used to detect what we are now being led to believe was just discovered.

And I want to make sure that the DNA evidence wasn't, let's be politically correct here, incidentally cross contaminated with Chandra's clothes.

But we haven't heard anything yet, so don't know how many of those questions will be answered yet.

Gain wise, it would be enormously embarrassing to the Democrats to have one of their former leading Congressman convicted of murdering one of his constituents interning in Washington. He was protected by the House at the time, they let him use Constitutional separation of powers to refuse for months at a time to comply with subpoenas without any pressure from them to comply.

Certainly there was no danger of Condit being prosecuted without even being investigated, but convicting Guandique would let them entirely off the hook.

Whatever is going on, they would love to place Chandra where her body was found with Guandique and have a we found DNA of Guandique, she was there and convict him.

But no one who cares about Chandra should let this proceed without ensuring that it takes place within the full context of her life. One would have to argue that she became suicidal at 1 pm and never wanted to speak to Condit again as she hiked for miles through streets and roads and into a forest until she was murdered.

And that is exactly what Condit told the DC police in the beginning.

So let's have a trial with Condit's first version, and go through his next six or seven versions throughout the trial and see how many jurors will take the Chandra Levy Walk in the Park Challenge and believe the prosecution.

Heck, let's trot a couple of the female prosecutors out there for giggles, alone of course, with nothing but a walkman and leggings, and see how convincing they end up being in court.

rd

[Rainbow]

Great oratory, rd!!!
Moreover, let's have the prosecuting attorneys JOG out there, wearing LEGGINGS on a very MUGGY, HOT afternoon!!!