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[peripeteia]

rd: did some searching for the autopsy report and not much luck, so much time is passed that much of the information is now gone, like the information about Chandra, or buried so deep in the internet, that you'd have to take a picnic basket along while surfing cyberspace...

Wonder where the stuff goes, cyber heaven and hell?

Can't fid it now will look later.
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[gozgals]

Here is a link I have saved- the autopsy report is on it. I think you were looking for it Peri and possibly Rd. Most of the link I think is dedicated to those that buy into the Ramsey's did it theory, which I don't. You may want to check out some of the rest of the site too.

Have a great day. Goz

report:

http://www.acandyrose.com/12271996autopsy.htm

[rd]

from www.acandyrose.com, this says it so well for the posting in 2001 on Chandra too:

A Personal view of the Internet Subculture Surrounding the JonBenet Ramsey Murder case

The Virtual World Timeline, Forums, News, Photos, Audio, Vigils, Victims, Parody, Links, Harassment, Hacking, Get Togethers, Forum Wars, Poster Wars, Live Chats, Radio Shows, Egos, Hoaxes, Secrets, Flaming, Deaths, Dedications, Transcripts, Books, Hats, Truth/Lies, Virtual Tours, Pro/Anti Rams

Way Beyond the Picket Fence

[rd]

My take from the coroner's report is that with abrasions to right cheek, right shoulder, lower left back, and left leg, she was not struck on right side of skull as an assault. I would say she fell on her head and shoulder from whatever she was found laying on trying to get away, and picked back up, hurt pretty bad.

Ligature was on right wrist only, the side she was injured on, and around her neck. Ends are frayed. I would say he never got to the left wrist before she fell.

Pants are urine stained. She was clearly not redressed or cleaned up in any way. Blood was found in a vaginal abrasion.

She was strangled with white ligature cord wrapped around a broken wooden stick with the word "Korea" on it, and part of another word that can't be made out.

The strangle mark cut into her neck is deep.

My personal opinion is that it is hard to believe someone close to her could have done this, but possible they were restraining her with the cord when she accidentally fell to a serious injury, and felt she was so hurt and their position so precarious that they must end it by strangling her.

They would have had to think she was dead or near death to do it though.

The obvious explanation for a drop of "mixed blood" in her pants is that the abrasion was caused by male entry who left a drop of blood from the organ when the abrasion occurred.

quote:"The underwear is urine stained and in the inner aspect of the crotch are several red areas of staining measuring up to 0.5 inch in maximum dimension."

So in that, we are supposed to believe that they found one speck of "mixed" blood from the attacker. I don't buy it.

Since no DNA or fingerprints are said to have been found on the wooden stick, the person who strangled her would have had to have been wearing gloves. Same thing for the ransom note. That would cause bad handwriting in itself.

But the words were those of John and/or Patsy Ramsey, either for real or emulated as a setup to pin the murder on one or both of them.

rd
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[jane]

She would have died from the head injury if she hadn't been strangled.

[James Anderson]

Just an update on the briefly famous John Karr. Apparently he is now a free man after the prosecution lost? his computer, the one that had the dirty pictures on it.

SANTA ROSA, Calif. - A judge dismissed child pornography charges Thursday against former JonBenet Ramsey murder suspect John Mark Karr after prosecutors said they didn't have enough evidence to take the case to trial.

Karr was ordered released immediately by Sonoma County Superior Court Judge Rene Chouteau, ending his two-month odyssey in the U.S. criminal justice system after he was extradited from Thailand on suspicion of killing the six-year-old beauty queen.

Karr did not comment as he left the Sonoma County jail flanked by his lawyers and rode off in a black Volvo sport-utility vehicle.

Karr, 41, was returned to California last month to face the five-year-old pornography case after DNA evidence cleared him of killing the girl in her Boulder, Colo., home in 1996.

The pornography case fell apart almost as quickly, as investigators admitted losing vital computer evidence that was seized from Karr in April 2001 when he was working as a substitute teacher in Sonoma and Napa counties.

Defence lawyers tried twice unsuccessfully to get the charges dismissed and were seeking to have evidence barred from trial when prosecutors gave up.

"The impression that we've had all along is that the prosecution had every intention of getting this case to trial, regardless of the evidence," said defence lawyer Robert Amparan. "I am pleasantly surprised by them having done the right thing."

© The Canadian Press 2006

[Kortnie]

Hi Everyone and hope your Thanksgiving was good.

I knew from the get-go that no "John Mark Karr" killed Jon Benet.

The parents did it. I do not care, in this case, about any unidentified DNA. There were numerous people in the house wrecking the crime scene that Christmas morning. As it's been determined that this DNA is not sexual, it could be from a cough or sneeze from one of the many people leaning over her body after John Ramsey conveniently "found" Jon Benet in the small, dark, basement room and brought her upstairs. By doing this, he completely wrecked two separate crime scenes, and he knew it.

John Ramsey has been so thankful for the Karr distraction he doesn't know what to do with himself.

[rd]

Apparently he will have something to say about it tonight on 48 Hours Mystery on CBS, Kortnie. The blurbs sounded like it's just more of him trying to blame it on Karr.

Thing is, with all that's been written about Jon Benet's murder, he'll be trying to convince a pretty knowledgeable audience, and they know better.

rd

[Kortnie]

Hi rd. I love "48 Hours" and have learned a lot about various crimes from it. However, I won't be watching tonight. Here they are dragging out the mental case Karr who had absolutely nothing to do with Jon Benet's murder, just to milk the Karr fiasco one more time? Please. And that's so insulting to the average intelligent "48 Hours" viewer. In addition, no, I do not want to watch John Ramsey spewing out lie after lie after lie. Also insulting.

Perhaps tomorrow you can apprise me of the various lies he tells tonight.

[gozgals]

HI all,
I heard a tidbit on a news show advertising the 48 hours interview,
(Which I will watch) that JR said: "He felt bad for Karr!"...
That really got to me. I understand the Ramsey's think they have been through hell as they claim their innocence but to even feel bad for a guy like Karr is incredible.

Ramsey said to something like, "He knows what it is like to go through all this when you are innocent, blah blah blah blah." I was horrified as Karr is a piece of crap, whether one believes the Ramseys or not. Who can feel bad for a man who has fantasies about little girls and may act on this one day, and who has been arrested on child porn charges, (even though he beat the rap). Also, even though he didn't kill his daughter, HE claimed too.



Just my opinion.

Have a good day all,

Goz

[Kortnie]

Oh, he's a liar.

He's just saying stuff about Karr to get sympathy.

John Ramsey knows very well what happened in his house that night. What a convenient scapegoat Karr is for him! Oh, isn't it lovely - Ramsey feels for Karr!!! That is such a LOAD OF BS!

The Ramsey's wrote the 3-page "Ransom Letter" (fake) in order to deter LE away from them, which it did for awhile! No real kidnapper writes an erudite letter filled with French accents, "big" words, and Hollywood film cliches! Give me a break!

Liars, John and Patsy Ramsey.

[laskipper]

I agree with you Kortnie- on all counts-

Caught a bit of the show last night- fell asleep. What I did catch was that the Prof who had been emailing with Karr for years, got the feeling that it could have been Karr when he "stepped up" the info-

One of the tidbits that he highlighted was a lengthy email Karr sent him where he used the words "listen carefully"- a term from the Ransom note.

That and the fact that Karr knew that "Neddie" was the nickname for Patsy's mom were key to starting the ball rolling. There were a few other minor points mentioned, but those were the highlights.

All the key points were in print all over the internet.

Wasn't it pointed out that Karr knew Patsy's family? He had lived in Georgia in his childhood.

In any case, the program was good for putting me to sleep.

ls
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[Kortnie]

Hi Skipper, and Thanks.

Well, an excellent "Dateline" on Michael Peterson segued neatly into the 9 PM "48 Hours." So, to my husband I said, "I'll probably regret this, but let's watch."

What I watched was so much BS there aren't enough bulls in Spain to equal the output.

Right, "Listen Carefully" at the beginning of the ransom note I've been aware of for about 9 years now, hello! Concerning Patsy's mother's nic I'm sure that's out there somewhere as well. Because: No, Karr never knew Patsy's family. Patsy grew up in West Virginia, in fact in Parkersburg, from which our dear rd hails. Patsy moved to Atlanta after finishing college in WV which is where she met John Ramsey. There is absolutely NO PRIOR CONNECTION between delusional pedophile nutjob Karr and Patsy and her family.

John Ramsey is a smooth talker, no doubt about that. But, to "feel sorry" for Karr due to the attention he received as a suspect? No, no no no. Ramsey can spare those generous feelings for Karr because he knows Karr didn't do it. Otherwise, he should hate his (Karr's) guts, right? Right.

The show was so incredibly biased. Both Trip DeMuth and Lou Smit are Ramsey supporters. There was no one interviewed to counter their beliefs. Completely one-sided.

And so much not mentioned. Fo example, it's never mentioned that the teeny-tiny DNA speck everyone goes so berserk over is NOT SEXUAL. Not sexual! In addition, it's also not mentioned that John Ramsey personally wrecked two separate crime scenes, the basement room and the upstairs where about 25 people were congregating and talking and coughing and sneezing (read: DNA speck) and who knows what other excretions. Because he brought JB up from the basement room where he had conveniently "found" her, he destroyed that crime scene. Then, he gets upstairs, lays her down by the Christmas tree, and everyone milling about comes rushing over and hovers - except Patsy. She stays where she is in the sunroom or whatever because she knows already exactly what she will see. It isn't until others' bring her into the Christmas tree room that she flings herself on JB weeping and wailing and begging Jesus to resurrect her like Lazarus. Oh, brother, what a fake act. Meanwhile, 25 peoples' DNA is flying about everywhere. NOT SEXUAL!

I support DNA as evidence just like intelligent people everywhere. But, in this case, it's a red herring. The CE in this case is 100% convincing as to who the perps are, the parents. The primary piece of evidence, the Ransom Note (Letter) was written by the Ramsey's. Anyone who studies the RN will see that they are the author's and writer's of the note. Patsy wrote it with her left hand, and John dictated what to say, including the 3-4 Hollywood lines. Occasionally Patsy's own language enters the note, such as when the word "Hence" is used. It's been proven in several pieces of her correspondence both before and after JB's death that she is a user of the seldomly-used word "Hence." Concerning myself, for example, I have NEVER used that word, ever. In addition, the word "attache" complete with the French accent on the final e! LOL! No real kidnapper is going to use that word! He's going to say "bag." If you study the Linguistic Analysis of the Ramsey Ransom Note on the 'net you will see that it's patently obvious they are the writers of the educated, erudite, Note (letter). And 3 pages! Come on!

The writers of the RN are the perps. End of story. The "DNA" doesn't matter.

Must air out my house due to all the BS spewed into it via the TV last night! And so much, so much, spew from Ramsey Supporter Michael Tracy.

[Kortnie]

Oh, also, in the copious "things not mentioned" category, Trip De Muth says the main reason people think the R's did it is because they were in the house. That's true.

It's also true that the paper/pen used to write the RN came from the house! In fact, everything used in the commission of this crime came from the house! It's an "inside job," no doubt about it.

So much not mentioned. The adjacent neighbor who sees the R's kitchen light on all night (not normal) and figures moving about through the baffling. They, the R's, were up all night figuring out what to do and preparing the Hollywood Ransom Note.

My theory is that Burke brained JB while she was eating the pineapple downstairs, and to protect him they decided she was expendable and finished the job.

[rd]

The ransom note contained an even more unique phrase, "and hence", an incorrect phrase used again by the Ramsey's in a message to their church memorial service and by John in a webcast.

Here's a link to a previous discussion here on that:

http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2176&start=255

rd