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rd
Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 9277 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:20 am Post subject: |
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I agree. In the twenties (or trying to look like they're in their twenties as with Taylor Behl's murderer) would be four to fourteen years older than Joanna when she disappeared.
Investigating the internet buddy list has been mentioned by others as being something that could shed light and I think that has possibilities in some situations but I give it far less posssibiilty than others, I think.
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Nan
Joined: 19 Jun 2004 Posts: 207 Location: San Diego, CA
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Nan
Joined: 19 Jun 2004 Posts: 207 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 1:18 pm Post subject: buddy lists |
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Also, an aside, the buddy list has been exhaustively examined. The most recent buddie contacts were checked out quite thoroughly (since AOL can tell the date and time of each contact). As far as I know, nothing has come of it. Did Jennifer use AOL or Yahoo IM? - Nan _________________ Please remember Joanna, and all those who've gone missing. BringJoHome.info |
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bodsangel
Joined: 12 Jun 2005 Posts: 23
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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I haven't heard which one Jennifer used. All that was said was they had Joanna's AOL list and that they were checking into the internet use by Jenn. And that was the last I heard of it. I watched the Maury segment that day and I thought Kathy did a wonderful job. I don't know that I would be able to be as strong. My heart goes out to her. I was able to tell my friends and family members who live in various states and cities in TX to watch and please keep an eye out. I know my sister had posted fliers around town near San Antonio as well as at the universities there. Maybe someone will be able to tell us something.
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Nan
Joined: 19 Jun 2004 Posts: 207 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:16 pm Post subject: generic ramblings, lubbock, crime, tips, investigations |
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On Lubbock itself.
I've lived in a dozen cities across the country - places so small we had only a post office and a barber shop, to places where there are two commas in the population sign numbers. There's nothing ostensibly wrong with Lubbock - not any more wrong ~in the aggregate~ than in other towns of its size. I can't think of a single town or city of any size that doesn't have it's quirks. I met a lot of nice folks in Lubbock.
On the crime rate in Lubbock.
It's the size of the town v the crime rate that is so striking. Little towns near big towns (say, Georgetown being in the Metro area of Austin) might just as well be considered part of the larger community. Hence, the crime rate of the larger area would bleed over into the nearby places. It's the geographically isolated places like Lubbock - the ones where you drive for hours through the country to get to the nearest city of comparable size
that have strings of crimes like this that stick out like a red flag to me.
The aggravated assault rate in Lubbock is two and a half times the national average, and the violent crime rate there is twice the national average. That says something about the culture of the place. Be it for good, bad, or neutral, it's a more violent place than most places in the USA per capita. I do strongly believe that that kind of ambient culture, regardless of the efforts of whatever decent folk may live along side whatever reprobates there are, is bound to breed too many of the kind of "take 'em, do with you want with 'em, and dispose of 'em with no remorse" people who remove young girls from their families.
On Rumors
I can tell you some of the rumors that Kathy Rogers has heard, and passed along. There are, apparently, a lot of people who like to sit around and embellish stories in this world.... Let's see. There's the one that said she'd run off with a boyfriend (all boyfriends currently accounted for). There's the one that said the Banditos (a motorcycle gang) has her as a white slave in [insert city of choice here - Houston, Dallas, San Antonio]. There's the one that has her having run off to Dallas with a "half Mexican, half White" guy she met. There's the one that said she'd been pregant (known to not be the case) and was afraid to tell her family. There was the one... Sorry, they're getting all jumbled up. What I was told is that each rumor had been checked out and that nothing panned out. Ever. Not once. And that some of them had been traced back to a couple of different individuals, who kind of back-tracked when confronted with being asked where they'd gotten their information.
I'm sure that LE there is doing all they can, given the resources they have and the time there is in a day. There's just not much to work with.
On people interviewed about the disappearance
I believe I heard, and this is fuzzy so it may not be entirely accurate, that the people where Jo worked were not particulary cooperative with information. And that one of them (the manager, maybe?) "lawyered up" really quickly after LE interviewed him. Other than that, nobody's acted particularly oddly that I'm aware of. And, given how forceful LE can be, I'm not entirely sure I wouldn't have engaged a lawyer if someone had tried to "good cop/bad cop" me into admitting something I didn't do (IF that's what the cops did).
On tips
There was also one from a girl at her high school who said she'd seen Joanna arguing with a young man outside the school office the day before she disappeared, and that she was quite upset. That one was investigated, and I don't believe anything came of it. Or, at least, nothing I've heard about.
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Hope you can see the video. We're trying to get permission to put it live on Jo's site. A very nice person who's wife went missing created the file and let us know about it.
Take care. - Nan _________________ Please remember Joanna, and all those who've gone missing. BringJoHome.info |
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Nan
Joined: 19 Jun 2004 Posts: 207 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:39 pm Post subject: publicity |
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Bodsangel - Please thank your relatives, for the Rogers' family, for posting fliers. It may help, and it certainly can't hurt. We have links to flyers on Jo's website bringjohome.info that anyone, anywhere, is free to print out and post. Anywhere.
While statistically it's most likely we'll not be seeing Joanna again in this lifetime, it's also possible that she's still out there somewhere walking around. In which case, having her image in front of people who might see her could mean all the difference.
If anyone needs higher-quality posters to distribute or tape up, please let me know and I'll arrange for you to receive some. And thanks in advance. - Nan _________________ Please remember Joanna, and all those who've gone missing. BringJoHome.info |
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rd
Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 9277 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder if they were able to identify the boy and if he was able to say what Joanna was upset about. It is very unfortunate about the manager feeling the need to get a lawyer. I would hope that he could help figure out if there was a stalker who was visiting the shop or could help in anyway. I do not think it is a coincidence that she got home from work not long before she disappeared.
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bodsangel
Joined: 12 Jun 2005 Posts: 23
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think it was a coincidence that Jo made it home and disappeared not long after. I have laid awake many nights trying to get an insight to this whole thing. As I have said many times before, my heart breaks everytime I think of the pain they are going through. Of course, my brother-in-law was a man in his 30s when he disappeared but that doesn't make the pain any less.
I don't understand the manager at the shop clamming up if he didn't have something to hide. Yes the good guy-bad guy cop thing is enough to make anyone a nervous wreck and I certainly wouldn't admit to anything I didn't do. Teenagers are so emotional on average that the arguement outside the office could have been nothing at all. And I hope it was.
Please let Jo's family know (I have lost Kathy's email address somewhere in my packing boxes) that anything my family or friends and I can do we are more than willing to help. I have a sister who is just about to turn 19 in a few weeks and I can't imagine losing her at such a young age.
As for the rumors that have spread like wildfire about Jo and her disappearance: it is absolutely horrible that people would make up things knowing that they will do nothing but harm. And I pray that Kathy and the rest of the family are able to take comfort in their religion and know that we all support them.
We will all keep our eyes and ears open. May God bring our loved ones home, bodsangel |
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Nan
Joined: 19 Jun 2004 Posts: 207 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:13 pm Post subject: tips and rumors |
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I think LE ran down the tip on the "upset outside the school office" - they were certainly made aware of it. But I don't know the resolution. The tip came in over the website, and I am pretty sure they (LE) talked to the young lady who sent it, in person. They also talked to all of Joanna's friends. Some of them took her disappearance quite hard, as is only natural. I think the family also talked to these kids, hoping that talking to someone without a badge might help.
There was a woman, early on, who was saying she knew what happened to Joanna. She also worked in a smoke shop (not the same one as Jennifer). But when Joanna's father caught up with her she totally backed out of that. Seems she was just running her mouth off, making things up. Some people will do amazing things, just for attention.
There were also rumors that a girl from New Mexico had shot Joanna and that she was buried in a shallow grave (in various locations). But the girl who was supposed to have done it was in jail at the time, so couldn't have.
Yes, it's not too cool about the way management there reacted. They wouldn't even put a flyer in the store window. Very odd. I wonder what's behind all that? I don't believe Joanna liked her manager, and didn't like working there. But she was trying to save up for college and all.... I am sure that Joanna's father talked to all the folks at the store, and I know LE did. I just don't know that anything came of it. If it did, it's not something that's public enough for me to know about.
The link to the Maury show is down until the person who has it gets formal permission from the producers. There is some question as to the legality of using it without permission (it's copyrighted). When/if it's ok to use, I'll put it on Joanna's website. The last thing the family needs is a copyright-infringement lawsuit. _________________ Please remember Joanna, and all those who've gone missing. BringJoHome.info |
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jane
Joined: 22 Sep 2002 Posts: 3227
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| What kind of person/people did Joanna work for? |
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rd
Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 9277 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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I would hope that the girl had an idea who Joanna was talking to while visibly upset, even if she doesn't know what she was upset about. If she doesn't remember the guy or know what they were talking about, and she is the only one who saw this, then there's as much chance she is mistaken as anything else.
Concerning the manager who lawyered up, there's a big difference to me in how the franchise ownership has decided to treat this versus the night manager she worked for. They don't blur together for me, two different issues altogether.
Concerning not putting a flyer up, interesting that the health club where Chandra was last seen refused to put a flyer up also. It's shameful.
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bodsangel
Joined: 12 Jun 2005 Posts: 23
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone not willing to put up a flier should be ashamed of themselves. This isn't about if they liked or disliked her, it is about doing what is right. And the only right thing to do is to help in anyway possible.
No the family certainly doesn't need to worry about any lawsuits. In time hopefully the link will be cleared to watch on her website. If nothing else maybe someone can give info to help. I'll keep praying. |
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TJ
Joined: 25 Sep 2005 Posts: 75 Location: New Mexico
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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Concerning not putting a flyer up, interesting that the health club where Chandra was last seen refused to put a flyer up also. It's shameful.
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While putting up posters on Joanna and Jen, several companies told us that it was against corporate policy to hang posters. Town & Country convenience stores come to mind, but several others had the same policy. Several store managers allowed it anyway, but said they would have to be taken down if management came to town. |
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bodsangel
Joined: 12 Jun 2005 Posts: 23
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| I understand everyday posters not being put up. But you would think something like this would be an exception. |
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jane
Joined: 22 Sep 2002 Posts: 3227
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| I agree, bods, especially in the case of an employee. I know a poster was put up outside a local chain store (with a policy against posters) when the young-adult child of an employee went missing. (Within a week or so it was known to be a case of accidental drowning). |
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