www.justiceforchandra.com

[benn]

>>>Money isn't the issue. What you are saying blames the victims for being victims. You haven't seen where someone took a transmitter off a victim? That's because no one is wearing a transmitter because someone would take it off of they are an abductor.<<<

What we have are many people showing up missing and dead. Those dead people are not blaming anyone. Whatever is being done now is not working, so doing a little more in whatever direction is not going to hurt anyone, except hopefully the people who are committing these crimes. Whatever is being done is not enough.

The Ten Commandments in schools and public places is a good way to go, and I am going to support that type of activity. Even Condit supported that, but with him it was a matter of say and not do, preaching without practicing what was being preached.

benn

[Nan]

megan's law

there is a free website where you can look up california sex offenders by address, school vicinity, or zip code. it has their photo, namd, address, and their rap sheet as well.

no need to go to a 900 number. it's through either the police or the sheriff's department - i think it's the police. i've visited it on occasion, just to keep track of who's in the neighborhood.
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[benn]

Nan, that is good to know. I thought I had seen a website discussed in a news story, but I have never visited it yet. It is good to know all that we can know. If we knew enough there would not be all of this missing persons trouble.

benn

[peripeteia]

Jan. 20, 2005, 3:58PM

Body of missing woman found in Amarillo lake
Associated Press

AMARILLO -- The body of an Amarillo woman missing since just after Christmas was found today in a small lake near Interstate 40, near where her car had been found. ADVERTISEMENT


Kelly Katherine Wagner was last seen by her mother on Dec. 27 as the two left their house to run errands. They were supposed to meet later for dinner the same day, Wagner's 28th birthday.

Relatives on Thursday made a positive identification of Wagner, Amarillo police Sgt. Randy TenBrink said.

Police located her 2000 Land Rover in the parking lot of an apartment complex early Jan. 2. The passenger-side window of the vehicle had been smashed in, but several items inside were not taken.

The lake where the body was found is only about 300 yards from the Peppertree Apt complex.

Wagner's body will be taken to Lubbock for an autopsy, TenBrink said.

Police have said the circumstances of her disappearance led them to believe that foul play was involved.

Wagner was from a prominent Amarillo family. Her grandmother was Jeanne Howe Kritser, an Amarillo civic leader. Her great-grandfather was Gene Howe, who established the Amarillo Globe-News.
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It seems that Kelly's car was found on Jan. 2/05, near the Peppertree Apt. complex, and her body was found in a small lake Jan. 20th, which was 300 yards away. This apartment complex of 24 units was completely destroyed by a fire on January 7th. Kelly died on her birthday on Dec. 28th likely. No visible signs of trauma were found on Kelly, however the toxicology results will not be ready for 6-8 weeks, this seems like an extrodinary long time, as blood results for drugs only take a few hours. What I think the police might have meant to say is that the examination of any DNA evidence will take this long, and they will wait to release the toxicology results at the same time. There was the comment that evidence in the car suggests foul play. The window was smashed inwards, however there were items in the car which were not stolen.

Did Kelly go to the apt to visit someone? The police have said that they do not feel that the fire is connected to the homicide, however this I find difficult to believe, as I do not believe in coincidences. I think the police should extensively interview all the apt. dwellers, and that a connection should not be ruled out. It is possible that Kelly went to meet someone in the parking lot however this seems unlikely more than likely she visited someone inside the apt complex.

Suicide seems unlikely, as she was planning to celebrate her birthday that night. It is possible however the family has provided no evidence to suggest that Kelly was unstable. Kelly was a teacher and well educated, I have not seen a picture of her but I imagine her to be well kept and had a brillant future before her and find it difficult to think that she took her own life.

Kelly was almost the identical size of Joanna, 5'5'' and 110 pounds. Lubbock is not all that far away, a two and a half hour drive, this is nothing in this day and age.

If there is a serial killer on the loose and somehow the fate of Joanna and Jennifer are linked to Kelly, this may be the break that the police have needed in that the family of Kelly seems to have more resources than the other missing women, or at least more clout in the media world. Although Joanna's father is a private detective and he has come up empty with any information which has lead to finding out what became of Joanna.

I somehow get the feeling that these cases are related, as well as others in the area. I spent the day looking (reading about cases in Texas) for missing people in Texas and read many cases on the angelmissing web site. Thanks for the information Nan.


There is another missing young woman, who is 16 who went missing January 16, and allegedly had been having internet chat with a 27 year old man from Houston, her name is Marianna Arellano from Palacios. She was last seen heading towards her friends house, she is 5'4'' and 150 lbs. I do not know the proximity of Lubbock to Palacios as I cannot find the latter on my map and map quest makes me crazy as it takes so long to find anything.

Anyway, I have the distinct impression that the people working in the Sandwich shoppe in Lubbock might be able to ID the person who has caused Joanna to disappear, and for some reason he is not suspected, whether he is a travelling salesman, or related to someone who works there, or whatever, Joanna had to have met whomever abducted her at the Sandwich shoppe?!!!!

Well hopefully something breaks in these cases of missing and murdered women in Texas. Hopefully the family of Kelly Wagner might be able to gather some media attention having connections in the media world.....!!


kate
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[rd]

I can't believe I could be missing that much, kate, but somebody is. Her car is found at the aprtments, they burn down a week later, and then her body is found in a pond 300 yards away?

How could the pond not have been searched, and why would the apartments burning down just be dismissed as irrelevant?

That is quite some info you posted, kate. Thanks. I hope it leads to some new thinking on the missing women in Lubbock.

rd

[peripeteia]

rd:

I found the information on angelmissing.com, while looking for information on Joanna, and was totally shocked by some of the stuff I discovered, which is not something that occurs often. I took the liberty and wrote my impressions to the Globe Newspaper and asked for information that was written on the fire as it is now archived. It seems that this might be a seedy part of town, but this is only an impression, perhaps if anyone knows the area of the Peppertree apartments they could inform us much better than me guessing.

Also, I wrote to the police and informed them of my brain flash, and asked that this FIRE be investigated more throughoughly. The police should be able to get photos of any possible suspects at the apt. and show photos to the women in the Sandwich Shoppe where Joanna worked. Also a cross of the DNA of the murdered women in Lubbock could be compared to any similar murders in Amarillo.

I do think this is the break that we have been needing in Joanna and Jennifer, perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm usually not, well not about the psychic vib stuff.



It is very disconcerning regarding Marianna Arellano, because of some miscommunication (re: translation of Spanish to English) no Amber Alert was issued and she has been missing since January 16., and as I advised there was an older man 27 who she had been contacting on the internet. Well this seems to me simple as the man should be registered on the internet chat line. I've no idea where Palacios is and the maps on line make me stark raving mad, I just checked yahoo maps and what I get is Texas with numbers for the cities, yikes, I thought mapquest was bad. Wow I have to find another www with better maps.........!!!!!!!!



kate

Jeremy Brian Jones might be responsible for the murder of Patrice Endes, and has an alias of .......Chipman. He may have killed the two young women who were murdered, as well as one of the girls parents, and was in police custody afterwards for being crazy drugged and running down the highway, and of course no one thought to check that out. You can research this by looking up, Jeremy Brian Jones on line. Absolutely incredible, you find two murdered and two missing persons with the house on fire, and you have a crazy person on your hands running down the highway saying that someone is trying to kill them because you ratted on their methamphedimine production!!??? That would make my lights go on, not to mention that old Jeremy likely smelled of some kind on incinerate, he has told the police that the girls are located in a mine, however, I'd be more inclined to believe that if the police picked him up shortly after he likely murdered them, that the young girls are very close by where the police found him........Like DAAAAA! It is now suspected that his man is a serial killer and is wanted for questioning in at least 4 states. Another Bundy I guess!
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[peripeteia]

I signed up as a member to angelmissing web site but have not posted, the information on, Kelly and Jeremy Brian Jones was gleaned from there, as well as searching on line for news related stories.....searched. Jan. 25th


Perhaps rd we should make separate threads, what do you think?
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[rd]

This thread is for Joanna in Lubbock, Texas and has included other women missing nin and around Lubbock. We wouldn't want to stray to far from that in this thread. I agree. Thanks, kate.

rd

[Nan]

Hi. Palacios (sp?) is a long way from Lubbock. Down in the valley, I think, on the border. Sort of near the coast. I grew up in West Texas, and it's a name I associate with being over a day's drive away.

The lake/pond in Amarillo is not in a seedy part of town, a relatively decent one, if memory serves (I lived there for a few years in the 80s). I think there is a park there, also. But I could be mistaken, it's been a lot of years.

Nothing new on Jo. I put some new stuff on Jo's website a while back (bringjohome.info ) but so far there's nothing to report on it or Jo. There are smallish ponds all throughout Lubbock - called Playa Lakes. I think the deepest is about 15 feet deep in the middle. Not real lakes, most of them are pretty shallow. I forget the number in the city limits, more than 50, I think. It's part of the natural regional drainage. Some dry up entirely in the summer, some stay full all year round. When it rains heavily, they overflow, running down the slight grade into each other. In flood years it's possible to canoe from one end to town to the other via them.

I doubt any of them have been dragged for Jo. Until they have a reason to think she's in one of them, I doubt they will. It's a town with a crime problem and they don't have the resources to handle it all. I'm sure they're doing the best they can, but they are up to their necks in work.

My daughter is graduating from High School in June. Jo should be walking with her class at her school in June as well. I just wish there was something, some sign, some word....
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[Nan]

http://www.ag.ca.gov/

The Megan's Law database can be gotten to from this link. For California, anyhow.
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[rd]

Thanks for the update, Nan. I can understand that a person would probably be detectible after awhile if sunk in one of those ponds. I've read one too many gruesome forensic articles on it. As we saw, Laci's torso came up even after her extremities were weighted down. Very, very sad stuff.

I posted earlier in this thread a young woman was found up the river here in Columbus about six years after she disappeared, unburied close to the river. I hope Jo is not found like that.

rd

[aubrysmomma]

Oh, I think about Jo a lot. I don't understand what could have happened. She looks like a nice person.

[rd]

I'm sure Nan and Jo's family will appreciate that. Thanks for your post, am. Welcome.

rd

[Nan]

They've finally announced that two of young women who have been found dead on country roads near Lubbock are linked by DNA evidence.

http://www.kcbd.com/Global/story.asp?S=3017441

This is not good. It supports the theory of a serial.

Still nothing substantial to report on Joanna Rogers. People claim to have seen her everywhere from the local Lubbock WalMart to the NYC subway.... at least people are looking. Sooner or later, they will see the right girl.
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[rd]

Here's the info from www.kcbd.com Channel 11 Lubbock, Texas. No information about the murderer, just that there is a serial killer operating in Lubbock. The two young women in this thread were probably additional victims of this murderer, I'm sorry to say.

rd

from www.kcbd.com (fair use)

3/1/05
Lubbock Authorities Officially Link Two Unsolved Murder Cases

DNA evidence confirms the suspicions of Lubbock authorities investigating two Lubbock County murders - they are connected.

These are the murder victims: Cynthia Palacio and Linda Trevino Carbajal. Both had prostitution records and the partially-nude bodies of both women were found on county roads. 21-year-old Cynthia Palacio was found in a ditch, west of Slaton on CR 7800, in July of 2003. The body of 21-year-old Linda Carbajal was found on CR 5700, near New Deal, in April of 2004.

Investigators with the Lubbock Sheriff's Office will not say what kind of DNA was found. "We want to hold that part back from the community, so that we'll have something we can discuss with the suspect, not all of it was from sexual intercourse," said Greg Parrott with the Lubbock County Sheriff's Office.

Tonight the killers of these women are still at large. Authorities encourage anyone with information to call 775-1406 or Crime Line at 741-1000.

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