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peripeteia
Joined: 22 Sep 2002 Posts: 1173 Location: Nova Scotia
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:40 am Post subject: |
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rd:
I knew the police had found a matress, but I did not hear a confirmation that it was the Hackings as they are still doing test. Regardless of what he put Lori in she is either incinerated at the hospital or in a hand fill. Since they have called off the search I speculate that the police know or have a good idea where the body is, have gotten a scent from the cadaver dogs.
rd: Have you read where this guy worked, the name of the Hospital, want to check out to see whether the hospital has an incinerator. It would not have one if it is just a psychiatric hospital. Anyone else know the name of the hospital that Mark worked at?
I'm not surprized about the video games, small things amuse small minds, perhaps he should be studying for the exams that he flunked, we can guess how much time he is spending greiving about his wife. Just goes to show you this dude is not crazy, crazy people don't ask for video games to play as this would require considerable concentration, and this is the hall mark of an insane person, they cannot concentrate or stay focused on any one thing, playing video games requires deliberation.... He better start drooling, banging his head against a wall, or something very manic, or else he is in big trouble...
kate _________________ A vision sent me on the path of seeking justice for Chandra, nothing I've seen in print to date has diminished the vividness but only served to reaffirm the validity of this vision. |
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propria
Joined: 20 Sep 2002 Posts: 630 Location: northern illinois
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:09 am Post subject: |
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>>> Mark has asked for video games in the hospital to "help him pass the time." <<<
well now, isn't that special????? this seriously scary dude is doing a really good job of taking care of #1 first and foremost, isn't he?? he doesn't have a snowball's chance in august of successfully pleading an insanity defense, though, no matter how many stupid and insane things he does at this point. if nothing else, his 'crazy' behavior came right on top of some very cold and calculated actions he took at almost exactly the time his wife disappeared, and that kind of detail makes a huge difference in the jury room.
neither judges nor juries are easily fooled by the sudden onset of insanity in a person suspected of committing a crime, partly because a move like checking in to a mental health facility, or even attempting suicide, is or appears to be waaaaaay too calculated for a legitimately insane person to accomplish. mark may very well be next in line as living proof of the old adage that a little bit of learning is a dangerous thing ... looks to me like he knew enough to sort of fake insanity, but nowhere near enough to make a convincing case for such a condition.
nanci _________________ the Truth has a name, and there is power in that Name! |
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laskipper
Joined: 17 Sep 2002 Posts: 1232 Location: Northern Ohio
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:12 am Post subject: |
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Question for the legal minds on the board: Obvious that LE has gathered evidence that Lori was murdered in her apartment, that there was motive on the part of her husband (lies, confrontation re:loan) and that he had the opportunity as he was the only person with her since she was last seen.
So why are they not arresting him? Is it because they haven't found Loris' body?
I read where he is "lawyered up" already so is that a factor?
Is there a problem with his arrest due to the fact that he is in a hospital?
Maybe LE feels that they have him tucked away under lock and key and are attempting to have relatives get him to give up the location of Loris' body?
I don't get it. Why no arrest? |
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rd
Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 9277 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:30 am Post subject: |
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"She planned on a 30-45 minute work out...then back home to wake up her husband, Mark. When that didn't happen, he thought she was already at work. And he called there first."
"the couple had planned to move next week to Chapel Hill, N.C., where Mark Hacking is to attend medical school.."
"The elder Hacking said his son and Lori, who have been married for five years, had gone to North Carolina recently and had even picked out an apartment there. They had also packed up their belongings and had arranged for a moving truck."
"Mark Hacking, who worked as a psychiatric ward orderly..."
"Mark Hacking, a 28-year-old nightshift hospital orderly..."
"Mark was checked into University Neuropsychiatric Institute..."
I think that's where he had worked, but I think it's clear he was no longer working and was packing up to move. Lori was flying out August 1 so she was working her last two weeks when she disappeared. He and his father would be driving out this week.
There is a frequent reference to Lori not waking him up as usual that morning. He had not been a nightshift orderly long enough for her waking him up in the morning to be "as usual". Of course, this is from him so is suspect just as he should be.
rd
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rd
Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 9277 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:33 am Post subject: |
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I think the latter, skipper. He isn't going anywhere, he's under a suicide watch, and he allegedly needs care that can't be given in a jail. It would take some time for psychiatric evaluations to determine he's faking it and removed from his refuge.
Musn't mistreat a murderer now, should we.
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rd
Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 9277 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:59 am Post subject: |
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from CNN this morning:
"Assistant District Attorney Bob Stott said Mark Hacking, 28, is free to leave the hospital. "
If he leaves, he better be arrested.
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peripeteia
Joined: 22 Sep 2002 Posts: 1173 Location: Nova Scotia
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:14 am Post subject: |
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Why would the District Attorney state that he is allowed to leave the hospital, does he mean he had been medically discharged. Or that they are simply not ordering him to remain there for psychiatric evaluation. A DA has no authority to say when someone is to be discharged from a hospital unless he is under legal obligation to be there, and still this would require a Doctor's discharge??
That statement is alittle open ended. My guess is that he will be arrested, even without a body, if that is possible, it is certainly possible here, one does not need to have a body to arrest someone for murder, provided that there is some evidence to such as blood, weapon, something forensically to say they may have been murdered. _________________ A vision sent me on the path of seeking justice for Chandra, nothing I've seen in print to date has diminished the vividness but only served to reaffirm the validity of this vision. |
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rd
Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 9277 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:31 am Post subject: |
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Well, here's news on that. There was a knife with blood and strands of hair? Holy cow. I guess at this point it'll be she was savagely murdered while he slept, then he woke up and decided he needed a new mattress. Sheesh.
Long article that summarizes the case to date. I'll snip out redundant parts.
rd
from www.foxnews.com (fair use)
Cops: 'Rage Killing' in Hacking Home
Fox News
Wednesday, July 28, 2004
SALT LAKE CITY — Police believe that a "rage killing" took place inside Lori and Mark Hacking's apartment hours before Lori was reported missing, FOX News has confirmed.
Authorities also said they believe Lori Hacking was attacked and killed inside the apartment.
Police confirmed that a bloody knife with strands of brown hair on it was among the numerous pieces of evidence they removed from the couple's apartment.
There were also unconfirmed reports that authorities were testing a clump of brown hair found in a trash bin just a block or two from the store where Mark Hacking purchased a mattress minutes before he called police about his wife's disappearance.
There were additional rumors that authorities, using blood-detection techniques, found a significant amount of blood inside the Hackings' home.
Detective Dwayne Baird wouldn't confirm the reports about the evidence, but didn't deny them either.
On Tuesday, police completed their search of the apartment. The families of the missing woman and her husband began packing up and moving out the couple's possessions.
The couple were planning to leave their Salt Lake City home last week and move to North Carolina, but Lori Hacking disappeared just days before, apparently on July 19.
Overnight Monday, authorities hunting for evidence in the case returned to a previously searched landfill, this time with cadaver-sniffing dogs.
They wouldn't say whether they'd found anything when they re-examined the area near Salt Lake City.
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Mark Hacking, 28, who has been hospitalized since early Tuesday in the psychiatric unit where he had worked nights as an orderly, has retained high-profile defense attorney D. Gilbert Athay.
Athay said Monday he has spoken to Mark Hacking many times since being hired Thursday. He refused to characterize the conversations.
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Mark Hacking has been at the psychiatric hospital since police found him running around naked in sandals the night after the search for his wife began. Police refused to say whether he was being held involuntarily.
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Mark Hacking said his wife did not wake him up after coming home from an early morning jog July 19 and never showed up to work.
Police later said he was at a furniture store buying a new mattress only about a half an hour before reporting that Lori was missing.
Footage from a surveillance camera shows Mark Hacking looking for a mattress in one store but then leaving, apparently when he found out he couldn't take his purchase with him right then, FOX News has learned.
Instead, he wound up buying the mattress he came home with from a store across the street.
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Mark Hacking's family said they'd visited him in the hospital as recently as Sunday and he was doing well, asking for video games to pass the time and inquiring frequently about the investigation. They also said they have been careful about what they've been telling him.
Fox News' Alicia Acuna, Catherine Donaldson-Evans and The Associated Press contributed to this report. |
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Kortnie
Joined: 25 Jul 2004 Posts: 199 Location: Louisiana
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:17 am Post subject: Lori |
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| rd, loved your use of that expressive word, "sheesh!" It's an apt conveyor of a sole emotion: Disgust. So, now that FINALLY the authorities-that-be are calling Lori's disappearance what it is - murder - I have to ask, "What took them so long?" I mean, SHEESH! |
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rd
Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 9277 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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Really. This thing about not calling people a suspect is just ludicrous. I suspect its part of teh culture of all these failed investigations, although the Salt Lake City police seem to be excellent. It's really the lawyers who have introduced this bizarre thinking that's screwing things up.
And like you say, Kortnie, SHEESH in capital letters.
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HEAVEN
Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Posts: 16 Location: naples
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:57 pm Post subject: missing in utah |
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I so agree with you guys...what took them so long to say "murder"
Its so obvious this guy is guilty...simple, he lied, she confronted him, he killed her.
I wish that she turns up unharmed but its not going to happen, You can tell she was close to her mom and her family, she would not let them go through this agony of not knowing, she would of called...The sad thing is this guy is going to plead insanity, Maybe that was not in his plans when he killed her but since things got to hot for him this is his only way out...SO HE THINKS!!!
Its all bout lying, cheating, money etc etc.
Love u guys,
God Bless You All _________________ Heaven |
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Kortnie
Joined: 25 Jul 2004 Posts: 199 Location: Louisiana
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:01 pm Post subject: Lori |
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| I think that when The Authorities say someone is not a suspect, that's when you know for certain that they are. I mean, how stupid do they think we are? It's COMMON KNOWLEDGE that the spouse is ALWAYS the first and prime suspect. And with all Mark's fibbing, COME ON! IT's SHEESH squared (math) this time! |
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laskipper
Joined: 17 Sep 2002 Posts: 1232 Location: Northern Ohio
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:07 pm Post subject: Lori wasn't happy... |
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Reports: Convenience Clerk May Have Been Last to See Lori Hacking
Jul 28, 2004 9:40 am US/Mountain
A convenience store clerk may have been one of the last people to see Lori Hacking before she disappeared.
According to reports in the Deseret Morning News and from KSL NewsRadio, a clerk at a convenience store near Mark and Lori Hacking's apartment says the couple came in between six and nine p.m. Sunday night, the day before she was reported missing.
The clerk, who was not identified, told the radio station Mark Hacking was talking with the clerks and seemed happy, but his wife did not seem happy. The clerk says Mark Hacking visited the store several times a week, and he asked clerks not to tell his wife he was buying cigarettes.
Lori Hacking vanished July 19. Her husband told police she never returned from a morning jog.
Copyright © 2000 The Associated Press |
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jane
Joined: 22 Sep 2002 Posts: 3227
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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The clerk says Mark Hacking visited the store several times a week, and he asked clerks not to tell his wife he was buying cigarettes.
So he had yet another secret from his wife - that he was smoking.
That he was happy Sunday night and that Lori was not is probably because she was still worried about the information she'd discovered Friday, while he was relieved about settling on a plan to 'solve' the problem. Not evidence in and of itself, but it points to premeditation IMO. |
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rd
Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 9277 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sure he planned to solve the problem, but in my mind there is no way he planned to solve it by stabbing her to death, apparently as she lay sleeping. Maybe he did and was going to say an intruder did it. Maybe he was going to cut himself and say he chased the intruder out, but it just boggles my mind that he did that as a plan and then reverted to she went jogging and disappeared as plan B.
To be honest, I don't know how he thought he could fool her in thinking he was in medical school once there. Still, he had already been to NC to pick out an apartment so Lori was probably not expected to call the school about housing. It was pobably her own idea and she found out too soon.
I don't know whether he planned on killing her before leaving, but her finding out on Friday made it imperative to his plans that he do so before she went back to work Monday. The creep probably did debate the best way to kill her. That's probably all he had been thinking about from the moment he found out she was pregnant.
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