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[propria]

>>> I am probably not a feminist. <<<


oooooooohhhh, yes you are ...

a feminist is, among other things, a person who can recognize and appreciate a woman's mind without dismissing her because of her gender, and you do that just fine ... of course, you do make us earn your respect before you go handing it out, but i'm all in favor of respect being a seriously valuable commodity in the world at large, so i see no problem with that. there now ... do we have you blushing in all eighteen shades of red yet, or should we just keep this up all day???? {8>P


nanci
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[rd]

I agree with that, and I accept the huge compliment, Kortnie and jane. Thanks.

rd

[Kortnie]

Whoa, Jane, girl, woman: Misogynist/Feminist is a contradiction in terms. One must be one or the other. Thanks for being brave and saying what you think about our guy rd. RD: "Feminist" doesn't mean "not feminine." I'm feminine as all-get-out, I'm married, I'm not gay. I wouldn't want to be male. What "feminist" means is intelligent and possessing awareness of what the female of the species goes through and has gone through at the hands and mouth of the male. Generally speaking, it's not a pretty picture, as both Laci and Lori and COUNTLESS others since recorded history (and before then) will tell you. I appreciate your awareness concerning Chandra, Laci, Lori etc. AND SO DO THEY FROM THE GRAVE. Has Mark the Mental been arrested yet in his cushy psycho prison??

[rd]

I think most women are feminists but the hard left took liberties with the issue. I have written at some length on the disparity of women throughout history and the only recent liberation they have fought so hard for throughout the last century, but I don't know how much of it I wrote for this site or just where I wrote it. It was in political discourse that I wrote it.

I think most women are feminists and feminine, but I don't like the non-feminine feminists. They have a right to not act feminine and bash men but I like women who act feminine while being intelligent and independent. I'm sure most are.

I explained above women are the only ones here besides James and benn and the only ones to disagree with, so I have no idea what other disagreements with men she's comparing to to say that, plus I've never heard that word before and it sounds a little scary.

But being two opposites simultaneously may explain my mental problems. I'll let you know if they've arrested Mark Hacking after they check me in. :)

rd

[rd]

This was a response to a guy who wrote:"Furthermore, you are speculating based on statements you call "facts" that are in reality speculations themselves."


Yes, I make no bones about it. I am speculating and citing the reasoning for my conclusions to make a case based on circumstantial events. The conclusions are summations of months of discussions, examination of reams of information in news stories and posts all over the internet, much of the supporting information having been posted by me and others in the past, but admittedly limited information filtered by inconsistent reporting and secrecy to preserve the rights of Gary Condit.

People who sit back and say "I don't see a smoking gun with Condit's fingerprints on it, no body, no evidence, no proof, thus we should sit and wait until such evidence is found before allowing riff raff such as rd to make scurillous charges against by definition innocent until proven guilty Condit" are essentially worthless to me.

The theme continues to be a powerful man who swore his young mistress to secrecy, operated like an intelligence operative as they met, and maintains silence as she disappears without a trace. By friggin definition, no trace means there is no friggin trace, no evidence, no gun someone can shove in your face and say, "here, he shot her with this, moron". Unfortunately...

rd


I'm sure he had a word for me, too. :)

rd

[rd]

Here it is. Lori found out Friday at work when the medical school called back to say Mark wasn't enrolled. She left work early, stunned and sobbing.

Hacking obviously told her there was a mistake and that he would straighten it out on Monday. Lori had to die before Monday.

rd


from www.modestobee.com (fair use)

Missing Utah woman received upsetting phone call before disappearance
By PAUL FOY, Associated Press
July 26, 2004

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) - Three days before her husband reported her missing, Lori Hacking took a phone call at work that left her stunned and sobbing, her colleagues at a brokerage house told The Associated Press.

Several colleagues said Hacking had been arranging for on-campus housing at the University of North Carolina medical school and that they believe the school was returning a call to say her husband, Mark Hacking, was not enrolled there, as he had told her.

Lori Hacking left work early after receiving the call Friday afternoon, July 16. Mark Hacking reported his wife's disappearance the following Monday. She is now feared dead, and her husband has become the focus of the police investigation.

At the time of her disappearance, the couple were packing to move to North Carolina. But after she vanished, police and family members learned that besides lying about being accepted to medical school, Mark Hacking had not even graduated from college.

Mark Hacking, a 28-year-old nightshift hospital orderly, has been at a psychiatric hospital since police found him running around naked in sandals the night after the search for his wife began. Police refused to say whether he was being held involuntarily.

His family has hired defense attorney D. Gilbert Athay, who said Monday he has spoken to Hacking many times since being hired Thursday. He refused to characterize the conversations.

Lori Hacking, a 27-year-old trading assistant who just learned she was five weeks pregnant, was a private woman who did not share personal troubles, making her breakdown in the office all the more unusual, said colleagues at Wells Fargo Securities Services.

"She was visibly upset. She started to cry and got up to walk away," her supervisor, Randy Church, told the AP on Monday. He said that when co-workers asked her what was wrong, she replied, "It's no big deal; I'm OK. But I think I will go home."

Lori Hacking's co-workers gave accounts of the phone call to homicide detectives after she was reported missing. Officials at the University of North Carolina were trying to determine whether one of their administrators made the call.

"We wouldn't have any reason to doubt" the Wells Fargo employee accounts, Detective Dwayne Baird said Monday. He would not comment further, but later dismissed suggestions an arrest was imminent.

"Our most important focus in this case is the fact we have a missing person and, coupled with that, it's under very, very suspicious circumstances," he said.

Church said detectives showed up at Wells Fargo the day after Hacking's disappearance and inspected her e-mail and computer files.

Lori Hacking's mother, Thelma Soares, was unaware her daughter had received the upsetting phone call, but did not get a chance to speak to her the weekend before she vanished, family spokesman Scott Dunaway said.

Results on some of the evidence collected by police, including a mattress recovered from a trash bin and a box spring taken from the couple's apartment, could come back from a laboratory this week.

Brandon Hodge, another trading assistant, said that at about 10 a.m. on Monday, July 19, Mark Hacking placed a call to his wife's office, speaking first to Hodge.

"By the way, how is Lori?" Hodge quoted Hacking as asking. Hodge said he replied, "Well, she's not made it into work yet."

Church, who had been expecting Lori Hacking at 7 a.m. and says she was never late to work, then took the phone. He recalled Mark Hacking saying his wife had not returned from a sunrise jog at Memory Grove, a downtown park near the office. Hacking made it seem as if he was calling from his apartment, Church said.

"Oh, my God, her (work) clothes are still here," Hacking reportedly said to Church.

"I said, 'You need to call police immediately. Just get off the phone,'" Church said.

But Hacking did not immediately call police, and police say he was at a store buying a new mattress shortly before reporting his wife missing.

Three of her co-workers who spoke to the AP said they showed up at Memory Grove before Mark Hacking joined them. When he arrived in his Dodge Durango, they told him his wife already had been reported missing. He then placed a call of his own to police dispatchers.

Hacking began an aimless search, walking and pondering before taking off on his own and abandoning Lori's co-workers. But first, he sat in his sport utility vehicle with an address book on his lap, making calls, apparently to relatives.

Copyright © 2004 The Modesto Bee.

[propria]

>>> "By the way, how is Lori?" Hodge quoted Hacking as asking. Hodge said he replied, "Well, she's not made it into work yet."

Church, who had been expecting Lori Hacking at 7 a.m. and says she was never late to work, then took the phone. He recalled Mark Hacking saying his wife had not returned from a sunrise jog at Memory Grove, a downtown park near the office. <<<


this doesn't look good for mark ... why did he even call the office if he thought she had not returned from her jog? there is no way he could have realistically failed to recognize that church and hodge would be able to easily compare what he said to them ... he is either truly stupid or up to his eyes in the kind of denial that supports a self-constructed reality, and neither of those conditions will serve him well before a jury.


nanci
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[peripeteia]

Greetings Kortnie welcome aboard, and happy posting nice to have someone else join us..




rd:

Thanks for the article, I've been waiting to hear that Lori had found out about Mark not being accepted. We see how private Lori was in that she never told anyone about what she had found out. She had been to a party on Sunday night, and was moot about what had happened on Friday.
Likely Lori told him that the relationship was over, as she likely found out also, that he had been living a lie about going to University. I can imagine who overwhelmed she was, and surprized that she had the presence of mind to go to a party on Sunday. How mind boggling!!



More and more I think that Laci too found out about Scott's affair and that is what percipitated her murder. The similarities of everyone being in denial is very spooky, and it seems obviously that his family are enablers.
This must be an extrodinary shock to his parents, and to his inlaws.

It looks like he will be arrested, and suicide or escaping seem like the only way out at the moment.

I wrote to the police the day before yesterday and stated that I thought that Mark had dumped her either in the garbage at the hospital for incineration (provided they incinerate human tissues) and if not he put her in the garbage when he went to work that night, left her in the back of the trunk, and at the oportune time, put her in the garbage. An orderly would have access to the garbage room and an incinerator if the hospital has one. I'm convinced this is what happened to her. I would have thought that he would hid her in the ravine/park where she went jogging, but he seems like not the smartest guy in the world, infact he is as idiotic as Scott, perhaps more so. Whatever the psychiatric disorder, likely sociopathy, I think that he and Scott suffer from the same one, and I agree that it is a copy cat murder, and likely Marko has if figured that he will beat the rap of murder by being declared criminally insane. That won't work.

As much as this moron thinks he knows about psychiatry, he made some fatal errors if he is planning to prove insanity. He with malice of forthought and deliberation, purchased the matress, called work and asked how his wife was, and her friends had called the police before he had, and he waited until after installing the matress to call the police himself. This is not what a criminally insane person does. He will not be able to be declared criminally insane. Just like the mistake of Andrea Yates, that after she had murdered all her children she called her husband, this required deliberation and her defense was blown out the window.

If Mark is not fit to stand trial presently then he will have to face the music sometime and until then he will have to behave like he is crazy, the first time he is all right an assessment will be made and he will have to stand trial. My guess is that he will escape from whatever mental institution that he is in, and he is likely in the process of trying to do this as I write. I hope he is not in the hospital where he works, as this would be all to easy for him to escape. I hope he has a 24 hour police/security watch.

I'm convinced that Mark has another girlfriend or a boyfriend, waiting for him in North Carolina, I just don't get going to North Carolina, there has to be a reason, and my guess it has something either to do with another relationship, or that Mark is gay. We shall see how this unfolds.

I'm guessing that the arrest is pending forensic analysis/results from the matress and the blood evidence in Lori's apartment...

How truely sad this is, that there is such violence against women, for no reason whatsoever, that simply so many women are being murdered because their husbands, can't stand rejection, for money, not wanting to pay allimony, being in love with someone else.
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[HEAVEN]

I agree 100% with you peripeteia,
She found out at work when they called her about him not going to school and she freaked...she went home confronted him and thats it, the matress either it was stained with blood or he stuffed her in there, she is a petite woman i would think she wold fit in there...I know he did it,,something told me since the get go..Poor Lori, she was pregnant.
What is becoming of this world, people killing innocent people. hhmm Like
Peripeteia says lets hope her body turns up.

God Bless You all
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[Kortnie]

Thank you, Peripeteia. Does your name mean the Goddess of Walking (peripatetic)? Yes, it's amazing that Mark apparently FOOLED LORI AGAIN which is the only reason she could attend the two parties and appear happy at them. Have you seen the last photo at Fri. night's party? Mark is just grinning away as usual, like he hasn't a care in the world! Wow, Peripateia, you wrote to the police! E-mail or snail? Did they respond? I think the NC thing is that Duke Medical School is impressive as all-get-out. And, terrain-wise, the area is not so different, i.e.mountains. I was visiting in Chapel Hill a few years ago ('95), and it's a pretty area. Deer would come into the yard where my friend and I stayed. Plus, get's freezing in the winter, like Utah. However, IT IS All THE WAY ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THAT'S TRUE. rd: What is your take on this latest news that Lori found out M's lies before she disappeared??

[rd]

Hi Kortnie. I posted this with article above:

Here it is. Lori found out Friday at work when the medical school called back to say Mark wasn't enrolled. She left work early, stunned and sobbing.

Hacking obviously told her there was a mistake and that he would straighten it out on Monday. Lori had to die before Monday.

rd


Clearly he told her there was a mistake and he would straighten it out on Monday. It was the weekend. They went to a party and talked to friends about moving to NC. Talk of freaking out, etc. doesn't take into account what happened. Your take is correct.

Lori had to die before Monday.

rd

[Kortnie]

Hey rd. By "your take" you mean my guess that he fooled her again concerning med school? Would you call Mark, this type of person a "master manipulator?" Peripateia, what's the medical name? Sociopath? Pathological Liar?

[rd]

Yes, your take on it that he fooled her again. I think there is no difference between Hacking and Peterson and Condit in that and many other ways.

rd

[benn]

Hello Heaven,

>>>What is becoming of this world, people killing innocent people. hhmm<<<

Children are not being taught by their parents how they should behave. The parents too were probably not taught by their parents how they should behave. Each generation becomes a little worse than the previous generation.

Of course that can, or could, be reversed, but in today's world that does not seem too likely.

I heard a tv preacher say that 80% of the children in Norway do not have parents who are married. I don't have any figures for the United States, but there are large numbers of children who live in single parent homes, usually probably with a mother and no father.

Locally where I live there are people regularly killed by drunken drivers, and by drive by shootings. Then there are people killed in robberies etc. A large portion of the population does not know how to live in a civilized society.

Regards,
benn

[fallout]

I wonder if Mark was under some kind of psychiatric care before his wife's disappearance. Was he on some kind of medication? On the other hand, since he worked in a psych ward, was he stealing drugs for personal use?

There's a report right now that the police have turned Mark and Lori's apartment back over to "the families". That sounds like they have a confession from Mark or have found enough evidence to charge him.

Despite all this, I have a strange feeling that this story might have a very surprising ending and that Lori might be alive. Under the circumstances it would be understandable for Lori to split. Have the police thoroughly checked Carolina?


James