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[rd]

Enlightening look at the use of the grand jury for an investigation in Washington. Did the prosecutor tell Condit he was a target as is required if he is one?

rd


http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=12513#12513

[waveca]

John Walsh made some interesting comments last night on Larry King. Larry brought up Chandra and when he mentioned Condit's name John Walsh commented that he feels the person that murdered Chandra is the same person who killed Joyce Chiang as well as another women that was killed near Rock Creek or around the park? He feels it is the work of a serial killer who may have relocated. Mentioned Condit's apparent "guilt" was brought on himself by withholding info. Best news Gary Condit's probably heard in a while!
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[rd]

thanks for the info on John Walsh on LKL, CA! That's what Walsh has been saying from the beginning. It has some merit. Joyce Chiang disappeared out of Dupont Circle five blocks from Chandra two years earlier.

The thing is, Condit isn't really cleared from Joyce's murder either. Joyce Chiang worked for another California congressman that Condit was working with on an immigration bill, and then she went to work for the Immigration and Naturalization Service while Condit worked further on the bill. Condit even testified on the bill. Clearly he probably knew Joyce Chiang.

There is also an interesting gap in his mistress record during this time. He had two mistresses from '94 to '96, Joleen McKay and, at least according to her father, Jennifer Thomas. His affairs with them ended in '96 when he was working on the immigration bill. Joyce Chiang disappeared in January '99 and found in the Anacostia River in April.

A year later Condit had two mistresses again.

rd

[peripeteia]

rd, you make an excellent point, as I believe that it was proven that Condit and his wife were in Washington the day that Joyce disappeared.
I found a committee that I know they were on together, in the news about saving the Red Woods in California. Also, Condit was questioned in regards to Joyce's murder, so I think it is fair to assume they were known to one another, how well is another matter!?
kate
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A vision sent me on the path of seeking justice for Chandra, nothing I've seen in print to date has diminished the vividness but only served to reaffirm the validity of this vision.

[jane]

[rd]

[jane]

I've been looking at articles related to the federal grand jury in the Chandra Levy case, and I don't see anything to indicate that it was characterized as a probe into Condit's obstruction of the investigation. (I guess I assumed that the federal grand jury was related to Anne Marie Smith's request for a California grand jury to look into obstruction by Condit).

So then, can we assume that Condit's taking the 5th was in response to his being told he was a target?
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[rd]

I'm not sure if he would be a target, jane., but I was wondering.

rd

[jane]

Well, let's put it this way, if one has not been warned that one is a target, is it kosher to take the 5th? I wouldn't think taking the 5th would be an easy option (if it is, it makes a grand jury powerless).
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[rd]

jane, here's a little more on that:

GRAND JURORS WILL GRILL 3 TOP CONDIT STAFFERS
NY Post
By NILES LATHEM
March 27, 2002

Sources said the grand jury is looking at "all aspects" of the Levy saga - including whether Condit used his congressional office to obstruct the investigation by getting staffers and former girlfriends to give misleading answers to investigators about Condit's affair with Levy and other women.
end quote


I'm still not sure they would have told Condit he was a target. It seems to me you can look at all aspects without having a target. You might shoot a bullseye and get a target though.

rd

[peripeteia]

Does being called a TARGET in American Law have a Hugh significance? Like have a major piece of evidence to say such a thing, I've always thought that Condit was the target of the investigation.

Do not Grand Jury's last indefinately in such cases as Chandra, and they can be reconveined at any time, provided there is new evidence to look at or a strong suspicion to except that there is sufficient evidence for search warrants etc.? I've speculated that the Grand Jury is sleeping until new evidence is found, or someone comes forward. Presumably the grand jury would have been presented with the evidence of the site where chandra was found and post morteum etc. Presumably being the operative word!

kate
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A vision sent me on the path of seeking justice for Chandra, nothing I've seen in print to date has diminished the vividness but only served to reaffirm the validity of this vision.

[propria]

>>> I've speculated that the Grand Jury is sleeping until new evidence is found, or someone comes forward. <<<


that's possible, kate ...

but i think it's a lot more likely that this grand jury is not just sleeping ... i think it has been drugged into a comatose state by secrecy and cover ups, and i think it's going to stay that way until somebody rips the lid off this thing by spilling the facts all over the place in the public eye. in other words, our best hope for justice now rests in the hands of rd and the national enquirer ... fortunately, we have a lot better chance of getting at the truth through their efforts than we do by relying on washington law enforcement.


nanci
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[peripeteia]

Nancy I believe you are right, the cover up part has been difficult to grasp, but this certainly seems to be the case. There is the likelihood that the coverup goes deep enough that there will be no blowing the lid off this case, not unless someone comes forward which is highly unlikely.

The question then becomes how would Gary have arranged to squashed a grand jury, how would the grand jury fit into the coverup?

They have the power to go and get more information and whatever is need to make an investigation happend. There has been no decision to close this case, so it is still open. The attorney general would not dare to close this case because of flack from the Levy's, the press, people like us would protest.

Did Condit do something to cause Chandra's death, or is the coverup simply Chandra's death, that she died by accident, by her own hand or died by means without Gary's knowledge?


It is possible that Chandra died by the people Gary referred to in his words to Ann Marie, "look at what they are trying to do to me now." However, this is a response that one would expect from Gary when he gets caught with his finger in the cookie jar, per se. Gary is very predicable in what he says, and what he does to some degree as he is a sex junkie, immature personality..he is addicted to the thrill of things, he keeps going back for more. These words Gary uses are the way that a child who has done wrong perceives the world, this is also apparent in immature adults, especially adolescent males. This is my 16 year old son speaking. This is all immature 16 year olds. Gary's usage of "they" is interesting, as many self preoccupied people, the world is viewed as we and them...

I'm convinced of Gary's immaturity and self centeredness. Now the question is just how far would Gary go????

It now seems apparent that Gary is the source for the story of the repeated phone calls, that they had broken up, and that Chandra would not take no for an answer. Cotchett stated this, the police had the story, the press had this story, and this was talked about by some of Gary's friends, i.e. Roirdon (maybe mispelled).

OK let us say this is true, this could be motive for murder, as perhaps chandra threatened to TALK! Chandra's statement to Edeline clearly indicate that Chandra did not have a boyfriend.

Yet, there is the possibility that Chandra went off and did something stupid like went somewhere with a stranger. However, her clothing does not suggest that Chandra got gussied up to meet a stranger. I believe there is a strong possibility that Chandra would not take NO, for an answer, as she believed his lies, or wanted to believe that they had a future together. Anne Marie at the very same time would not take no for an answer, she came to washington to see Gary after he said NO.

It is possible that Chandra if distraught; might have said something STUPID to Gary, perhaps even threatened his wife or himself, perhaps even called his wife, it is possible that Chandra might have tried to get even.

It is possible that Chandra took drugs or medication, for attention from Gary, threatened suicide (arranged it for attention without an intention of killing herself, arranged for Gary to save her and he didn't get around to going over when he said he would. (died like Marilyn Monroe, someone she was talking to obvious hung up and didn't sent anyone to help her.)

We cannot know what Chandra might have done, and the evidence seems to have been wiped clean and shredded??? It is possible that Chandra got murdered in Cold Blood, the motive that someone wanted to get at Gary, Gary arranged it or someone close to him plotted to kill Chandra.

What knowledge is needed is the information the Police and Levy's have, they must have oodles more information than what is available to us. One big part of the picture is the phone records, and of course his invoices re: bank records access. Discovering where Gary was the afternoon of the 1st!!!!!

If there is a coverup it is on a very LARGE scale, and I'm not referring to the scales of JUSTICE.

One thing is for certain, you folks to the South sure could do with a public enquiry system...big time!

kate
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A vision sent me on the path of seeking justice for Chandra, nothing I've seen in print to date has diminished the vividness but only served to reaffirm the validity of this vision.

[benn]

One thing about the coverup, there does appear to be a coverup, maybe partly due to trying to coverup, and the other part due to incompetence, or lack of resources, to examine all of the evidence.

That is one reason I think that the Otis Thomas story is very important. If we can catch the FBI not telling the truth to the public, or if we can catch Condit not telling the truth to the FBI, just evidence of one instance of Condit lying to the FBI should throw the investigation into a different gear. Lying to the FBI is a crime.

What obstructs the investigation to some degree is the secrecy of the DC Police, and the FBI. What good have they done with their secrecy? The principal result of the law enforcement secrecy is that they are effectively covering up for former Rep. Gary Condit. The police secrecy did not find the remains of Chandra Levy.

The dna evidence is available to possibly show either the FBI, or Gary Condit, up as not always telling the truth. Condit should be glad to have the test taken, if indeed he has told the truth about the Jennifer Thomas affair. The test would give him a clean slate, possibly, if the supposed affair can be scientifically expunged from the records.

benn

[peripeteia]

Welcome Benn, so happy you are well. You are absolutely right Benn, if it is true about the Ottis BABY this might be grounds for motive, not to mention the lying that took place to cover this fact.

The matching of the DNA re: Ottis Baby this does not really tell us allot other than Gary would have broken up with Chandra just for snooping into his business.....if it became known that Gary was the Father this certainly would give charge to the Grand Jury to name Condit as a Suspect or Target...surely....

However, if Condit did tell his cronies and whomever would listen in the beginning that Chandra would not take no for an answer, that she was calling him and yadda ya ya. Then this means that Condit witheld information from the Levy's and the Police in this investigation and DIDO
Benn another point for investigation, because to the best of my knowledge Condit later denied having said this to anyone, no chandra and I never had a harsh word, and he denied this in other statements about a breakup and repeated phone calls. However, Condit likely exaggerated when he told the story to his uppity ups. Because both Bush, Cheney and Powell, that is the top three in command....came to his side. They knew he was innocent, so it seems likely Gary told a version of this story that Chandra would not take No for an answer and .....I speculate here, further, that Condit told others that Chandra took her own life; or something to that effect or she was being hsyterical. That she was a loose cannon...

Who knows what happened, but we know Gary has lied, that the Levy's do not have the truth, and that there has been a coverup; there is incompetency, corruption and deceit and the length and the breath of it are anyone's guess!....................

Keep Well Ben and missed your presence...
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A vision sent me on the path of seeking justice for Chandra, nothing I've seen in print to date has diminished the vividness but only served to reaffirm the validity of this vision.