www.justiceforchandra.com

[rd]

[jane]

Hi rd. If Guandique is charged and pleads not guilty... unless he has a decent defense team, I don't know how much the jurors will learn about how implausible it would be for either he or Chandra to be in the recovery site. The prosecution will spend a lot of time showing where the other women were attacked (if that is admissable - do you think it is?) and the jurors will assume that the same basic MO was used in Chandra's case.

The prosecution will point out that Chandra canceled her gym membership the previous night and that she looked up a map of RCP the morning of her disappearance. I don't know whether the P can find a credible witness to state that Chandra frequently jogged in RCP, but maybe they will?

Will the defense bother to find friends of Chandra to state that she never jogged for exercise, in RCP or anywhere?

Will the D make it clear to the jury how far the area of the attacks on the other women was from the recovery site of Chandra's remains? Will they demonstrate how difficult and unlikely it would have been for Guandique to get there or lurk there, and likewise for Chandra to have gone there to jog or hike?

Will the D point out that there was a scream coming from the area of Chandra's apartment, for which 911 was called, in the middle of the night following Chandra's last known appearance? Will they point out that the scream is an indication Chandra could have been abducted then, and that we can't be sure it was Chandra using her computer the following morning? Will the D point out that even the email sent to her parents was just a link - not a personal message?

Let's hope Guandique's team will do their job well. Not that I like Guandique, but I would hate for the real killer(s) to be let off the hook.
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"There is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known."
Christ

[rd]

jane, those are all what the defense need to bring home to the jury to, not only not let the murderer go unprosecuted, but drag Chandra's entire life and convictions thrown away like her body to place her there on that mountain of her own free will instead of her body brought there to be dumped and hidden.

Short answer on jogging is that there is no one but Condit in privacy and not under oath that would have said Chandra jogged in Rock Creek Park, and no one to testify to it, and we have public statements from Jennifer Baker and Sven Jones that Chandra never jogged outside or went to Rock Creek Park.

Also, of utmost importance is to refute even now such statements that are commonly made by police and media, that Chandra cancelled her gym membership.

She gave a required 30 day notice of cancellation of her gym membership, and spent several minutes talking to the gym manager about continued usage of the membership over those 30 days after she returned to California. There was nothing different about her gym membership and how she would use the gym that day or for the next 30 days.

The defense need only to be able to read this thread to the jury to win an acquital, after walking them outside through Chandra's last two days of activities, including phone calls and computer web sites, then the Walk in the Park Challenge wearing and carrying what she wore and carried, or the equivalent.

Then they will understand the circumstances under which Chandra disappeared.

rd

[scott20037]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/03/AR2009030301967.html?hpid=topnews

The story seems to say prison confessions are the only basis for the arrest warrant, rather than any new DNA evidence whatever.

The confessions by Guandique, including the fabulous tale that he attacked Chandra together with two other guys, are not credible. Pending any DNA evidence, I am remaining squarely with rd. They've got the wrong man. Let Condit's "If I Did It" storytelling begin. We can all enjoy that, anyway.

[Rainbow]

Here's a reference to a link to a news report that states that "Police believe Levy's body was dumped at the site.".
http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=chandra+levy-body+dumped&fr=yfp-t-501&u=www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/688664/posts&w=chandra+levy+body+dumped&d=AzAa6Z2uSTdZ&icp=1&.intl=us

[rd]

yes, Rainbow, we also have references to the police saying it was far off the beaten path, that it was not a place people jogged, and that it appears Chandra's body was dumped there.

My goodness, I can't believe they will try to convince people Chandra was jogging there. We'll have to have these cops that make doughnut runs run the Chandra Levy Walk in the Park course.

Wherever they collapse, say somewhere going up the Western Horse Trail before they get to the Equestrian Field, we'll ask them for their latest thinking on the subject.

Scott, I will say this. Although it's unbelievable they are going to go with the cellmate confession story, I do give credit to the DC Police I haven't given them in this thread.

They forced the issue, I have to hand them that, and that's good for Chandra. They probably tried to intimidate Guandique to convince him to plead guilty to reduced charges. Actually, not probably, you can bet your bottom dollar that's what they were out there doing.

So they win either way, because a confession (even if obtained by scaring him) solves the case to the satisfaction of justice, and a trial will bring a focus on the case that will surely shed light on innocence and guilt.

Of more than just Guandique.

rd

[Rainbow]

We never ascertained whether or not Guandique was an equestrian! All kidding aside, this present course of action seems to be the way those with close government ties prefer to handle this matter. Notwithstanding, though, there are those in high positions in various agencies (like Ms. Lanier) that mean well and want to solve this case on behalf of the Levys.
However, since people with federal and international government ties (including intelligence agencies) were associated with Chandra's circle of acquaintances, it appears that laws pertaining to criminal cases involving members of these circles, are ajudicated in a way that is unique to these agencies. May be there has already been some "Justice for Chandra" behind the scenes.

[rd]

Michael Doyle reporting that police will have a witness testifying that Guandique stalked her on or about May 1.

Believe it or not, as Scott posted above, the reporting includes a story of Guandique assaulting Chandra with two other men. Quiet frankly I believe this is because of the way Chandra was tied up and no way that Guandique did that alone while she was fighting him off.

So the tie up also doesn't require sophistication from Guandique, or more likely the clearly displayable lack of it. Unknown accomplices displayed this behavior. Wonder where they are, or does it matter?

wow, what I like are the high fives going all around. These guys are congratulating themselves for what has to be the most laughable case ever brought to trial on a national stage.

I can see the recriminations now as media types say what were they thinking as the case falls apart under similar scrutiny that we've given it.

At least as jane points out, if he has a good defense that will show what's needed to make the case fall apart.

AP is reporting that Guandique will be brought to DC within next two months for trail. Reported he was to be released in 2011 but now faces 60 more years in prison.

I think full court press is on to try to intimidate him to plea to a lesser charge/sentence. They wouldn't want these witnesses they have and their case facing public scrutiny in a trial.

I hope Guandique doesn't fold under the pressure. AP reports DC detectives talked to two other prisoners out there, so not basing it on just the one who failed the lie detector test. Wonder if they found one who could pass?

rd

P.S. Arrest warrant pdf at http://www.justiceforchandra.com/~rd/chandra_levy_warrant.pdf

[rd]

Michael Doyle of McClatchy reports on the evidence presented. Sounds about as fishy as it gets.

Note the story from the first inmate that Guandique stabbed her to death has changed now that Chandra has been found with no blood on her clothes.

Note also that the story from this other inmate is that Guandique now says he strangled her to death, neatly matching forensic findings / assumptions, and this beauty of two other men along for the ride to account for how she was tied up. Need multiple guys to carry her body around up and down those slopes too. Well, lots of time to kill in prisons to work up something that'll stick.

Note also that these inmates do this to get time off their sentences for their "cooperation".

Works out good for everyone. An illegal to boot. Just doesn't get any better than this. I thnk I'll go light one up.

I can't even imagine what Chandra would say to these people who have her "jogging in the park" now. Well, do I need to change Walk in the Park Challenge to Jog in the Park Challenge?

rd


Arrest warrant issued for prison inmate in Chandra Levy slaying
By MICHAEL DOYLE
McClatchy Newspapers
March 3, 2009

excerpt
Guandique told another inmate that he'd been smoking marijuana laced with cocaine in Washington's Rock Creek Park when he saw Levy jog past on May 1, 2001, according to a police affidavit. Guandique told the inmate that he and two other men followed Levy, grabbed her and took her into some bushes, according to the affidavit.

"Guandique said that they 'had her down' and (she) started screaming and fighting back," the inmate said, according to the affidavit. "It was then, according to Guandique, that he grabbed her by the neck and choked her to death."

Police didn't identify or charge any other men Tuesday with murdering Levy. Guandique's own accounts of the killing vary, according to witnesses cited in the affidavit. By one witness's account in the affidavit, Guandique said he'd raped Levy.

click to read rest
http://www.kansascity.com/444/story/1065369.html

[Rainbow]

There may have been traces of some kind of drugs left on Chandra's remains (hair follicles). That might be some of the newly-revealed "incriminating" evidence we might be hearing about.
Other groups of people, though, have been known to use drugs, as well! If Chandra were kidnapped, she may have been and probably was drugged.

[rd]

well, there's no physical evidence so nothing to figure out about that, Rainbow.

Just lots of stories. I can't wait to hear them and see the people tell them.

Given that, I can't imagine this will get to trial.

Not sure what will happen instead. Clearly they're trying a full court press to scare him into a plea deal so the public won't see the details of all this on tv.

rd

[Rainbow]

RD, the news excerpt you posted mentions Guandique's tatoos. But, what about Chandra's tatoo? I have never been able to get a detailed description from anybody or any news source regarding her rose tatoo. I think the FBI "missing persons" website may even have had it listed on the wrong leg.

[rd]

It was a small rose on her right ankle.

They were too busy putting out pictures of her in bad wigs to worry about details like that.

While I'm at it, I'll just reiterate that nothing has changed except they found another prisoner who came up with a story that matches after Chandra was found because the first prisoner's story didn't match what was found. And he inconveniently failed a lie detector test anyway.

So while I'm big on prosecuting cases like this if needed because the physical evidence isn't there, no way is Chandra going to be placed up there in Rock Creek Park with what we know about her, and Condit cleared with what we don't know about him.

We see prisoners freed quite often on DNA evidence, and this is a shameful example of how that happens. Only there is no possibility of DNA being found to overturn this one. And I would venture to say they are doing their best to convict him in the press so that even if he isn't found guilty the DC police can walk away and never investigate Condit.

With this Condit is cleared not because he is cleared, but because prison inmates can make up stories until one of them gets a get out of jail free card. And the police never had to do anything except wait for that "tip" they've been waiting for.

That's how it works folks in a corrupt city.

rd

[Rainbow]

Here is an excerpt to "Donna, Donna", a song which may have been performed at Chandra's funeral:

On a wagon, bound for market, there's a calf with a mournful eye.
High above him, there's a swallow, winging swiftly through the sky!

Calves are easily bound and slaughtered, never knowing the reason why.
Those who love and cherish freedom, like the swallow will learn to fly.

[fallout]

Here's a thought. Take a look at this quote from the Huffington Post. What if Guandique decided that the way to survive in prison is to join up with MS-13. The initiation for MS-13 is that you have to have murdered somebody. Guandique had already been questioned about the Chandra murder and there was enough press that labeled him as the murderer that it might have been adequate to join up. That way he gets protection and respect while he's inside whereever the authorities decide to render him. He cuts out a picture from a magazine, talks to a few people and is embraced by the most powerful group inside the prison system.

Here's the quote:

"When detectives did zero in on Guandique, they visited him in prison in September 2008 and found a man with gang-related tattoos _ several of them the marks of notorious Latino gang MS-13 _ as well as a photo of Levy that appeared to have been ripped from a magazine in his cell."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/03/ingmar-guandique-warrant_n_171545.html