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Nancy · Joined: 11 Jul 2018 Posts: 460

So, the following transcript is Rob sharing a little about his last conversation with Jennifer.

I think it's a "Men are from Mars", "Women are from Venus" thing, but Jennifer's concerns may have caused her to be more upset than he realized.

Remember Lauren had found Jenn to be in a little bit of a "funky mood" over the situation with Rob when she spoke to her earlier in the evening.

Anyway, I think he says it best himself in the transcript below and I bolded it and underlined a part that I think is important.

They are just so close to the situation they can't see it.

She wasn't going to call Rob back and tell him she was going somewhere because she was upset with him. Due to the evening hour, she most likely wouldn't have called her parents. But a friend?

What if a "good" friend had called and asked her to meet him somewhere? Or, what if she suddenly found herself unable to sleep, and she called a "good" friend and asked him to meet her somewhere?

What if she just asked the friend to stay on the phone with her until she got in her car? Jennifer wasn't a wallflower. She wasn't scared of her own shadow. She most likely drove her own car somewhere close. Who met her once she got there?

Do they really think the friend who set the plan in motion is going to step forward and admit it?

It would be so interesting to see all the phone records for that evening. They could even redact the phone numbers and just show us the times.

That would pretty much settle things. :)

LE should have been all over it, but if someone is lying they have to catch them in their lie and maybe that's what didn't happen.

The transcript:

@ 24:03
Reporter: What happened when you got back.

Rob: That Sunday evening she was like okay I'll stay with you Sunday and then I'll drive to work on the Monday and I was like okay that's cool. We always filled her gas tank up on Sunday evening cause with it being dark at night she'd rather me go with her to fill up the gas tank so she didn't have to do it Monday morning on her own cause she would inevitably leave, you know, 5 o'clock in the morning. So that's how safety conscious she is that she wouldn't fill her gas tank up at 5 o'clock in the morning. Female, on her own, you know?

She worked Monday. It was a regular day. I know she was busy. She had a lot of projects that she had to deal with. I was busy. I had an event that evening. We'd texted and talked periodically during the day like we did every day.

And then that evening, we had a conversation as we always did. And she would call me normally on the way home from work. She had a forty-minute commute, or thirty-minute commute, that we would talk. I mean everything was the same as it always was. Just missing each other; wish we could be together; wish we were still on holiday. Regular couple stuff.

Then that evening, I know I was busy and I think she kind of felt that I wasn't reinforcing how much I missed her and how much I cared for her. We had a little bit of a disagreement there. And I was just kind of like hey look I miss you. And she was like I don't think you miss me as much as I miss you. And that type of stuff. But, the last time I talked to her was just before 10 o'clock. Cause she was going to bed, she said she was tired. And this is where I disagreed with the officers. Like, they were like oh she would have gone out at night and I'm trying to tell them like she wouldn't have gone out at night unless she communicated either with one of her parents, either with myself or with one of her friends. She wouldn't just walk out of her condo at night. This is the girl that wouldn't even go get gas at night without me.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gone-s2-e1/id1539220513?i=1000498214968

Nancy · Joined: 11 Jul 2018 Posts: 460

rd · Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 9275 Location: Jacksonville, FL

Thanks for those thoughts and good wishes, Nancy. Here's hoping for a better year and that's a very low bar to clear.

We were posting similar thoughts at same time, and that's the cue for great minds think alike. Or that we think alike anyway.

I am wondering how hypothetical the statement Jennifer tells Travis "she will FedEx it in the morning". Is that entirely speculative?

I was never able to get any info about what Jennifer actually said she would do. One poster said he was close to the family, that being UCFAlum. He has posted that Jennifer would have sent it from work. No one else has shed any light on this whatsoever, and UCFAlum has never followed up on questions about whether Jennifer had ever sent a package from work, or any other indications of why he believes this other than that's what they believe. Of course many posters also say this but they don't know anything about her past practices on this either.

The DVD player left in car is interesting. On one hand leaving something in the car in sight is something one would want to avoid a break in and theft. On other she had brought in her luggage and left it by the front door and it's understandable she didn't make another trip for the DVD player.

I have pondered her going back out to the car after she hung up to get something, but her wallet, cell phone, and friend's cell phone wouldn't have gone out with her to get something from the car. I do think that bringing in the DVD player would be part of going back out to take care of something, whatever that was.

I don't believe she was trying to get the phone sent at that time as the police immediately suggested, but I think the ex being nearby and being there at her condo with the friend that left the cell phone (Travis) is just not totally coincidental that something is involved in that in her wanting to talk to him, perhaps give the phone to him to take care of as I have speculated in past.

Travis laying on her bed, I don't know, I just don't see that staying at her condo with her brother, that just isn't what the guys would do from my experience.

rd · Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 9275 Location: Jacksonville, FL

Doing more research, ACTUS REUS Jennifer Kesse Timeline cites:
https://www.actus-reus.com/jennifer-kesse-timeline

“She works where they have FedEx and UPS right on site and that's what she had told Logan's friend that she was going to do.” -Joyce Kesse, Timestamp 13:00, Unconcluded Podcast Episode 2: Endpoints
end quote

I have a vague recollection of questioning / researching / discussing this. My vague recollection was that this sounds like both FedEx and UPS stores on site or at least nearby, and I recall doing a map / street view search and didn't find this to be the case.

So yes, there are FedEx and UPS pickups at major companies and often a FedEx dropbox nearby. But the above statement implies ability to initeract with a FedEx or UPS store clerk who will process your package and take the payment. I couldn't find any indication of a public location for FedEx or UPS stores near Jennifer's work in Ocoee. I'm going by memory so will be glad to be corrected.

That's why I ask, whoever saw Jennifer do this before? Because shipping from your employer's building would require something, like the shipping room weighing the package and taking money for what it will cost the company going by the shipping rates for Fed Ex or UPS.

I've seen stamps sold, and have bought plenty of stamps back in the day at work because way more convenient than going to the Post Office, and have a few times dropped personal mail using those stamps into outbound baskets at work to be picked up. But that is no cost to employer.

Some people om internet have said they have shipped from their employer and I asked how that worked. Usually don't get an answer. I did see one person one time say they just put it to go and company shipped as if it were a company item.

If a company is big enough to have a shipping room and scheduled pickups then they would have policies covering that. What was Jennifer's situation, and why is there no mention of her doing this before?

That's why I ask the details of how this was to work. And as in everything else in Jennifer's disapperance, no one wants to deal with inconvenient details.

rd · Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 9275 Location: Jacksonville, FL

Looking for sources for some info, and stumbling down a rabbit hole of internet posts. This from Jacob Shelton on Ranker:

"Kesse's mother says she knew something was up because Jennifer's phone was "never turned off." As soon as the police registered her as a missing person, they attempted to ping her phone to find her location. There was no response. If her battery had been left in the phone, it would have been pinging."

I'm not sure why the battery is brought into this when being turned off will do same thing. A phone isn't going to ping if it is actually powered off, whether batteries are in it or not. To ping a phone the phone has to be receiving and assessing radio signals from towers to see its ID from a tower. That takes power.

If the cell phone is constantly receiving and assessing radio signals from towers that's the same as being on. That's what it does when it's on. That's how a cell phone knows a tower is sending an incoming phone call ring or text message to it.

Same as a PC. When you power a cell phone on, it boots up. Of course taking the battery out removes the power source as well. We have probably all had cell phones where you had to take the battery out and put it back in because it was stuck and wouldn't respond to anything including the power off.

"A couple of days after Kesse's disappearance, her car was spotted about a mile away from her condo. A neighbor noticed the black Chevy Malibu after seeing it on the local news. Police were able to pull up security footage of the area, and they found someone dropping off Kesse's car on January 24 around noon.

Rather than filming a fluid video, the security cameras only took still images, each about three seconds apart. There were three images of the person driving Kesse's car, but their face was blocked by a gate in each photo."

Here's that reference to three seconds apart I see occasionally. The camera settings have never been released by police, if they even knew what they were, and as a result we have statements like this on the internet based on nothing.

The actual time stamps on the images are 1 second or less than previous image. Then there's the physical reality of the pictures. If you're walking along and are at the gate, the gate being wide enough for a person to walk through, think what it would take to step across the width of the gate. One thousand one. One thousand two. One thousand three. You'd not only pass the gate, you'd be able to walk to the tree beyond the gate. And that's what POI did.

There's a reference to three images above, and that is apparently that prior image to what I call image still 1 that is identical as far as I can tell but time stamp is 1 second earlier.

From my research back in 2007, and I noted in POI Image Analysis thread, typically it was a 4 camera feed to a VCR. In this case we had just 3 cameras and 1 of them was not operable. The slot of each of the 4 cameras is grabbed and a time stamp applied by VCR. If it didn't get a new feed from the camera, I believe it will apply the last feed again. That's my understanding of how that would happen.

"One of the early suspects in Kesse’s disappearance was an ex-boyfriend, Matt. On the night of the 23rd, he was drinking at the Blue Martini, a bar across the street from Kesse’s apartment complex, but it’s not clear where he went after the bar. Matt was friends with Kesse's younger brother and he'd been in her condo while she was on vacation. However, Kesse's brother, Logan, insists Matt was only nursing hurt feelings, and that he didn't do anything to hurt his sister.

When police interviewed Matt, they noted that he was upset about his breakup with Kesse, and even more so about the fact that she’d just gone on a trip with her new boyfriend. He admitted he was "inconsolable" for weeks after they split. Matt offered to take a polygraph test, but ultimately the police didn't believe he had anything to do with Kesse's disappearance. Local authorities have never gone into great detail about Matt.

According to Logan, Matt and their entire friend group were "put through the wringer" by the authorities. Matt told Fox News that he was interviewed by police days after the disappearance and a few years later in a follow-up interview."

Some detail here that's rarely spelled out, so we'll document it here.

"One suspect who’s drawn quite a bit of attention is Johnny Campos, a co-worker of Kesse. She had complained to her father about Campos on more than one occasion. Apparently, Campos made multiple passes at her and grew upset when she turned him down every time. According to another co-worker, Campos was upset that she was in a relationship, and was annoyed to hear about a recent vacation she had taken with her then-boyfriend.

On the day of her disappearance, Campos showed up late for work and blamed his tardiness on an unverified traffic ticket. This set off alarm bells for web sleuths and the police, but according to the authorities, there's no indication Campos had anything to do with Kesse's disappearance."

Wasn't the "unverified" traffic ticket actually verified and it was a Thursday or so previous week, not Tuesday the day Jennifer didn't show up for work?

This has been posted about so much all these years I'm surprised there could be a question about the traffic ticket day. There was tons of other posts about Campos, but the day of the disappearance thing I thought was put to rest. This blog summary (digest of podcasts?) is dated 2019.

rd · Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 9275 Location: Jacksonville, FL

A blog from True Crime Society. Here it says that Jennifer told her brother she would send it from work next day. Did she talk to Travis as well?

"At some point Jennifer talked with her brother who let her know Travis, a long time family friend, left his work phone at Jen’s condo over the weekend and asked if she could mail it back. Jennifer said she would mail the phone from work Tuesday morning."

To me, I don't take the "from work" literally in any event. To me that would also include going to a nearby FedEx or UPS store on a break to take care of it.

So it doesn't matter to me how that was done. Actually saying she would do it at work next day is the key. But did she actually say this, and to Logan and/or Travis? Were the police told this from the beginning but they still publicized that they thought she was out that night trying to send the package?

Nancy · Joined: 11 Jul 2018 Posts: 460

Nancy · Joined: 11 Jul 2018 Posts: 460

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rd · Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 9275 Location: Jacksonville, FL

I do agree, Nancy, and for the reasons you give. The police needed to consider that she may have gone out related to sending the cell phone, and they did. You're right, even if told she said she would send next day the circumstances required quickly investigating the possibility of her going out that night.

Related is something I was searching for. There was a comment that a call and text between Rob and Jennifer didn't take place at 6:30 in morning as normally took place. I have written about that from the very beginning, from Rob's first interview in news. It was my impression they talked early in morning, a wake up call type thing. And that of course didn't happen Tuesday morning.

Then the story became that Rob and Jennifer didn't attempt to talk or text in morning until Jennifer was driving to work. This was required for the assault going out to car because otherwise the cell phone should have been in use before that and wasn't. And nobody seemed to mind. Jennifer called from her car which she never made it to.

Not only my first impression, which was based on Rob sayinig "when we first..." and then I think changed his wording somewhat, but also that they communicated constantly all day, I've seen 7 or 8 times a day given as an estimate.

I do not for a second believe that neither Rob or Jennifer so much as texted "good morning" when they got up and had no communication until Jennifer was driving to work. If that is an absolute fact I will be glad to be corrected but I do not believe it for a second.

It is required for the narrative though. If they communicated every morning and the morning she disappeared they didn't, then the narrative is proven wrong.

I will probably search for any 6:30 (am) references again, and wonder if it will be found in something I wrote. It certainly sounds familiar.

Nancy · Joined: 11 Jul 2018 Posts: 460

rd · Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 9275 Location: Jacksonville, FL

Yes, Nancy, this is what I recall and have commented on from the beginning. Rob clearly states that Jennifer at least texted him when she woke up, before she went to work. He was surprised to wake up and not see a text from her.

This should be Exhibit A that Jennifer was not around Tuesday morning getting ready for work as I have pointed out from the beginning, in the first few pages of the Jennifer Kesse Missing thread.

And Exhibit A is totally ignored because it disproves the narrative.

In addition we have found that the situation of being home all evening and all night and up in morning to get ready for work would normally leave some trash in a trash can in the home. And there was no trash.

The landscapers kept an eye out for her in mornings to see her go off to work. They saw nothing.

We also noted that her cell phone was her alarm clock and her cell phone was inoperable as of 10:20 pm the previous evening, a few minutes after she ended her call with Rob. No alarm clock. Doesn't faze the narrative tellers whatsoever. Nothing fazes them. The narrative is the narrative.

Anyone who had an inoperable cell phone that morning and a land line would have made a call on the land line before leaving to someone, family or Rob or a friend or work, someone. And no call was made.

That Jennifer was wildly assaulted on her hood in her parking lot and driven out of her complex struggling in the front seat with her abductor, with no trace of this struggle left to be found in her car, as a narrative is the sole legacy of 15 years of Jennifer missing.

Jennifer deserves at least the truth as a legacy.