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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did she have jogging clothes on?? If so wouldn't that prove she was jogging?!

Here's what she was wearing as reported.

Washington Post May 23:
"A neighbor in the Newport said she lived in the apartment just above Levy's and had often seen her in the mailroom or leaving the building, wearing jogging clothes and her Walkman."

(Walkman was found with her remains)


Washington Post May 24:
"a sweat shirt from the University of Southern California; leotards"


Washington Post May 25 (Sari Horwitz and Allan Lengel):
"stretch leggings knotted in a way that suggests they might have been used to restrain her"


Washington Post May 26 (Steve Twomey and Sari Horwitz):
"jogging bra, Reebok tennis shoes, running tights tied in a knot, University of Southern California sweat shirt"


Washington Post May 5, 2003: (Allan Lengel"
"leggings knotted at the bottom of both ends, leading some authorities to suspect that she may have been restrained and sexually assaulted."


WJLA Washington DC May 24:
"Clothing including tennis shoes, a jogging bra and a sweat shirt also were found."


Cox Washington Bureau May 25:
"a University of Southern California sweatshirt, a sports bra, and tennis shoes"


Washington Times May 25:
"a University of Southern California T-shirt, shorts, running tights, a red sports bra and running shoes."


Washington Times May 28:
"tied up with her own clothing, her hands bound by her tights"


Washington Times May 30:
"a University of Southern California T-shirt that police initially said was a sweatshirt, a pair of running shoes, running tights, underwear, a red sports bra"

Note the repeated description of University of Southern California T-shirt, running tights, and running shoes which you will see compared to other descriptions is a very deliberate depiction of her as a jogger. Given the initial police statements farther down, this has the appearance of a deliberate attempt to influence the investigation.


Daily Telegraph UK May 26:
Knotted leotard clue to death of Chandra Levy
"torn leotard twisted into a rope"


NY Post May 26:
"knotted leotard"


NY Post May 26:
"spandex legging, found inside out and knotted on both ends, indicating the possibility that she was restrained and sexually assaulted, police say."


CNN May 29:
"sweatshirt, sneakers"


Los Angeles Times May 29:
"friend Mike Vanden Bosch (both newsroom assistants at the Modesto Bee newspaper) recalled her smoky voice, her loud laugh, and her ever-present sweat shirt from the University of Southern California"


San Jose Mercury News May 29:
"Of all the things Mike Vanden Bosch remembers about his friend Chandra Levy, the one that made him laugh Tuesday was that USC sweatshirt.

She wore it everywhere, he told more than 1,000 people at her public memorial. Even in the oppressive heat of Central Valley summers, Levy insisted on wearing that sweatshirt, he said, laughing."


Personal note: Not only do people not run in a sweat shirt on a warm day, they certainly don't in a sweat shirt they wear constantly. For those that would say she took her sweatshirt off to run, and there were some of those back in the day, the thought of Chandra running in a sports bra should be enough for any woman to know that well endowed Chandra was not bouncing down highways and byways and horse trails in a bra. Women will understand that is why she wore the sweatshirt everywhere to start with.

This is basic behavioral knowledge that is overrriden by a government agenda to have Chandra place herself in Rock Creek Park where her remains were found for reasons that find the alternative of someone hiding her body there not something DC Justice wanted to pursue. Far from it.


Modesto BEE WASHINGTON BUREAU May 29:
"University of Southern California shirt, a sports bra, and shoes not made for serious running."


Modesto BEE WASHINGTON BUREAU July 16:
"a University of Southern California shirt and her leggings"


Daily News Washington Bureau May 30:
"her leggings were knotted into what police believe were restraints.

And there are questions about whether Levy was out jogging at all. The site is 5 miles from her apartment; she usually avoided running in the park. And according to the Farmers' Almanac, it was 82 degrees on the afternoon of May 1, 2001 - hot for jogging."



ABC News June 4:
"spandex leggings that were found with knots tied in them, suggesting she may have been sexually assaulted."


Post from libra1009 (on the original ChandraLevy.com site):
"I just want to respond about the spandex leggings being casual wear. I seem to remember in one of the home videos that was shown on the news, the one where Chandra is discussing some classes and a paper she had written, she was wearing a sweatshirt over black leggings. I'm sure you've seen the home video. I believe it is the one released where we all heard her voice for the first time. She was sitting in her parents' house in an ulphostered chair, talking about a paper she had written. She then got out of the chair, apparently to retrieve the paper to show her parents. It was then you could definitely see her dressed in the sweatshirt and leggings. I'm sure this video has been played over and over on all the news channels. Hope that helps."


My response:
"I think that background should be kept in mind when it is said she was dressed for jogging. She was dressed casually as she always did. That is a very important point, and pointing that out in the video really helps to prove it. Thanks."


summary of Tom Squitieri from USA Today interview on Fox from poster Rita on cl.com:
"Squitieri reiterated that Chandra was not a jogger, she obviously was going to the park to meet someone and was waiting for someone to call. When they did, she got up and left.

Out of all that he said, a theory he had about the tights were interesting, he said they could have been used to restrain her but also, to get her where she was, the tights could have been used as a carrying device. He said she was in a ravine, so the tights could have been used to help carry her there.

Squitieri believes this was a hastily planned affair because of the shallow grave, his point being that had it been planned longer, it would have been better planned.

He was asked about the fact Ann Marie Smith saw evidence of tying up under his bed, and Squitieri said that several women had reported this to him independent of AMS, they didn't even know AMS existed at that time, so it was not a copy cat type of thing. So he was sure that bondage was a part of Condit's MO."


Note: Rita was disabled from MS and was painful for her to type. This was a real effort for her to post, and showed how dedicated she was as I'm sure most here understand.


In addition to her normal casual clothes she wore, how did the DC Justice people change her to jogging from this?:

Washington Post July 14:
"Her friends and relatives say she was not a jogger, was not familiar with the park and had expressed safety concerns about being in Rock Creek Park by herself."


USA Today May 23:
"That suggests to some that she was accosted and killed while jogging, probably shortly after e-mailing her family in California on May 1, 2001.

But police cautioned against that conclusion, noting that the remains were found far from known jogging trails."



O'Reilly Factor with guest Rita Cosby May 23:
"O'REILLY: Now, you don' t believe she was jogging, do you?

COSBY: No, I don't, and police do not believe she was jogging. That area was so thickly wooded, so many rocks in that area, it's not a common place to jog. So they're saying she must have been brought there, or that could be a secondary site, even.

At the top of the, it's interesting, there's a grove area, as they're describing, a place where even a car could park. So it is possible that either she was lured to that area or that part was just the location where maybe they dropped the body off."



On the Record with Greta with guest Ted Williams May 31:
"TED WILLIAMS, FORMER D.C. HOMICIDE DETECTIVE: But, you know, Greta, I'm very concerned.

VAN SUSTEREN: And that is because, Ted, because the body -- at least in your view, your hypothesis -- and this is a hypothesis at this point -- had to be moved from some distance?

WILLIAMS: Yes. I would think that it would have, even if you were at the top of the hill and you threw the body down.

Listen, Greta, let's be very realistic. When you're talking about rapists who murder, people who rob, who kill, those individuals will rob, kill, and get out of there. They will rape, kill, and move out in a hurry. They don't take time to try to get rid of a body. Somebody methodically attempted to get rid of the body of Chandra Levy, as far as I'm concerned."



Modesto BEE WASHINGTON BUREAU May 29:
"The nearest footpath is the rugged Western Ridge Trail, about 100 feet higher than where Levy's remains were found."


Los Angeles Times May 29:
"Police already have rummaged through a picnic area overlooking the site and reportedly are studying the possibility that Levy's body was dumped from above."


NY Post May 26:
"Evidence collected at the spot where her remains were found points away from her being killed in a random attack while she was jogging, the sources said.

Cops found a knotted leotard next to the remains, leading them to believe she was tied up before she died.

In addition, the spot where she was found is four miles from her apartment building and there are no real jogging paths there. It is not easily accessible by car."


Note: The "not easily accessible by car" is a bit literal. As her remains were halfway down a forested slope of the tallest hill in DC hidden in a depression, her remains were obviously not accessible by car, but climbing back up to the top of the hill you are about 75 yards into the forest from Glover Road and picnic table 18.

It is actually ideal for driving up to at dusk and toting a body (one man who spends a lot of a time in the gym could haul her 110 pound corpse, the majority was sliding down a gravelly slope) out the "No Horses" path which actually doesn't go anywhere, just circles around the peak and back to Glover Road at picnic table 16. Then drop straight down the hill through the trees with extremely poor footing and deposit the body in a depression under leaves.

Toss her sunglasses on out the No Horses path a few yards and her Walkman downhill a little and you've set up a staged sexual assault in the middle of nowhere coming from nowhere. But don't expect anyone who hasn't been there to understand that, the jury especially had no idea.

Oh and take her CL engraved ring, bracelet given to her by her Congressman boyfriend, and her keys to stage a robbery with the assault, and you're good to go.

Works for what passes as justice in DC.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

didn't Condit have a brother that had done time in prison, or at least lived somewhat of a criminal life?

Seems I vaguely remember that.

On another note,,, someone would have to know of that desolate, way out of the way spot where she was found..no?
I believe her remains were disposed of there at Condit's instructions.


Condit's other brother Darrell was a fugitive in both California and Florida, and living in Florida under a false identity. Despite being wanted in two states, the previous year, October, when Condit was taking up with Chandra in DC, he had been jailed in Florida. Even having served time in five federal prisons and a fugitive for six years wanted in both California and Florida, he was released. What would it take to accomplish that?

Then when Condit was in the news and Darrell's name was mentioned, Florida started looking for him closer, and found him in a Ft. Lauderdale motel living under an assumed name. And lo and behold a former Watergate lawyer showed up and bailed him out with $50,000, as if, you know you'll lose this if Darrell doesn't make his court appearance. And Darrell didn't show up for his court appearance a few months later.

Who would be willing to pay $50,000 to keep Darrell from the temptation of making deals with the police, and why?

It's easy to point fingers and that's not what anyone wants to do, but there were vague reports that Darrell was missing from his temp job for a couple of weeks and National Enquier said he came back limping. No other source reported anything about this so unknown how hallucinatory it is, but DC Police refused to look into it when his name was mentioned from sources in Modesto. Would have been very helpful to have been able to confirm his whereabouts that day such as was on the temp job he had.

Add to that that Condit threw away the box a Tag Heuer watch comes in, at a Virginia park trashcan so that it wouldn't be connected with him in his trash, which is very strange indeed. The fact that Dayton was driving him from Dayton's house in Virginia to Condit's condo in Adams Morgan section of DC to meet a police forensics team who were going to examine his condo for any information about Chandra's disappearance certainly added to the intrigue.

Essentially it was getting rid of evidence, but evidence of what?

I also have notes that Condit told police that he had a relative staying with him a few weeks before Chandra disappeared. He uses that as an excuse for why he didn't see her. Who would that relative be that coincides with time Darrell was said not be at his temp job back in Florida?

Some employment records, a verifiable alibi, other temp workers who could have vouched for him being there on the job would have simplified things. But DC Police didn't and still don't want to investigate anything other than a jogger murdered in Rock Creek Park. So things are not simpler. They are much more complicated.

The Tag Heuer watch is gone, which seems to me to be an inauditable item of value to give to someone for something.

But what?

On the other hand, Condit would have been in front of a camera when Chandra disappeared if he could have. But he wasn't.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting, where is Condit these days, is he still in politics?

Condit is in Phoenix area I believe, through the years there were reports he was trying to get back into politics as a consultant, his son ran in a California race but lost.

I believe he is the only one that could be the source of original reports that Chandra was a frequent jogger in Rock Creek Park, or jogged at all for that matter.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is some pretty damning stuff in Guandique's arrest warrant.

One witness goes bad, but the rest...


It was ginned up about as bad as any good old fashioned lynching. I have never seen anything more about this employer that was quoted as saying that Guandique didn't show up for work that one particular day, May 1. In fact I haven't seen anything about any Guandique employment.

The landlady testimony was a year later at grand jury, said to have recalled face injuries right around that time. By indictment time nine years later, she recalled it specifically to that one particular day, May 1. Meanwhile his girlfriend didn't recall any face scratches at all.

As I posted at the time, this could all be settled by showing Guandique's mugshot taken six days later when he was arrested for breaking in to a neighbor's apartment and running out with a ring when the neighbor showed up. That mugshot has never been produced to show these memorable facial scratches the landlady recalled so vividly years later to the day.

And by the way, the landlady harbored illegal aliens. I'm pretty sure she'd say whatever the police told her to say. And given the various information in this indictment, the police were very "helpful".

Does anyone find it strange that a brutal bound with her tights murderer is scared when a lady walks into her apartment and sees him? He ran out with a ring and still had the ring and screwdriver he used to pry the lock when police showed up and found him in the area. Anyone want to contend this is the bound with her own tights murderer six days earlier?

Please. The DC Police and Prosecutors just don't care about facts. They ginned up a hallucinatory indictment and called it a day.

Close enough for government work.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have any info or thoughts regarding the DNA found on the clothing which hasnt been accounted for? That does seem to imply some type of sexual attack. Do you know what steps LE has taken to identify this DNA? I would think its presence should have widened the scope of the investigation, but it seems LE ignores it. Why is that? I would also guess that its very presence, and the lack of a credible witness to the confession, would it make it very hard for a jury not to have a reasonable doubt in terms of Guandique's guilt.

The presence of DNA on Chandra's leggings that wasn't Guandique didn't faze anyone associated with the DC prosecutors, including the jury. This would free anyone else that had been convicted of murder, but for this crew they trotted out someone to say it was "contamination", and the DNA was not in a database.

This is a real good example of the integrity of the DC Prosecutors involved in this case. There's lots more, but this was a prime example.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an excellent opinion from Washington Post Editorial Board, and commendable. Also the reporting on Chandra Levy case in beginning and last few years was one of the best. However. concerning Guandique, his indictment was based largely on coverage by Washington Post that falsely portrays Chandra as jogging in Rock Creek Park and details from anonymous people that portray Guandique as missing and injured on the day Chandra disappeared.

The indictment pretty much reads straight from the Washington Post series, including reclassifying Guandique's passed lie detector test in beginning as "inconconclusive".

These kinds of allowing prosecutors to brush away inconvenient facts without challenging them are part and parcel of the culmination of a case based solely on a "cellmate confession" story, which the prosecutors eagerly sought and protected. For that matter, why was Guandique briefly placed in Morales Kentucky prison cell for this "confession" to have been able to occur?

And while there was no evidence other than a "cellmate confession" to prosecute and convict Guandique, there was DNA evidence found on Chandra's leggings that wasn't Guandique's. In any other case this would have freed a murderer from a conviction. That was all tossed out the window in this case as "contamination". Yet again unchallenged by the free press who should have higher standards than lawyers who find facts an inconvenience to a rightful conviction, rightful because they must be right.

If there is one thing the Washington Post could do to right this wrong, it would be to right the wrong that Chandra decided to become a jogger the day she disappeared and place herself up on that horse trail in a forest to be murdered.

There is no greater service to Chandra Levy's legacy that you could perform than to right that wrong.

Ralph Daugherty
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www.justiceforchandra.com


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-collapse-of-the-chandra-levy-case-demands-a-reassessment-of-jailhouse-informants/2016/08/05/671c69b2-5a6e-11e6-831d-0324760ca856_story.html
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never mind the multiple women Guandique attacked in almost the exact same location (which just happened to be within short walking distance of his residence) who each positively identified him as the man who stalked and attacked them. Never mind the multiple people he told about killing "the girl in the park."

You choose to ignore quite a bit that can't be explained away by grand conspiracy.

I have no problem with Condit being guilty, but, IMHO, evidence led them to Guandique. This guy was no boy scout.

Your argument for conspiracy is compelling until one reads the other side. Conspiracy sells, though.



almost the exact same location? Have you been there? Someone who has walked those locations wouldn't say that.

short walking distance of his residence? Have you even looked on a map?

First of all, my contention is that Chandra wasn't even there to be killed by anyone. That she was a jogger in Rock Creek Park is a lie the government justice department made up to explain how Chandra's remains were found dozens of yards down a steep hillside from the top of the highest hill in DC. I posted above everything about what she was wearing, her non-jogging history, and what police initially said about the site. It is only a matter of convenience for the government to make this lie and arguing about which pervert murdered her jogging in Rock Creek Park is the purpose of the lie.

The two Gaundique assaults on joggers were about a mile and a half apart on Beach Drive, so right there you don't have almost the exact same spot. But let's take the one closest to Broad Branch Road. I invite you to walk up from there from the jogging path on Beach Drive like I did to the top at grove 17/18 on Glover Road and then over the other side and down halfway to Broad Branch where her remains were found, and up Western Ridge Horse Trail from Broad Branch to the top which would allegedly be the last leg of her death march, and up the other side from Broad Branch to the top and back down to where her remains were found, inaccessible from below by a 70 foot cliff.

Then talk to me about almost the exact same spot.

As for Guandique's short walking distance to the exact same spot, it is about a mile and a half to one assault and three miles to the other from his residence. It is also about three miles from Condit's residence. That says next to nothing about either one. Just that neither one had a "short walking distance" to any of these assault sites. For that matter, I never expected Guandique to walk to either of his assault sites. A person would take a bus down the main road from where he lived to Beach Drive. But short walking distance has such a ring to it. I believe the ginned up stuff from the Washington Post reporter used similar hazy phrasing.

With the two Guandique assaults there is no question of identity. The second one identified him when the police arrived and they found him, the first one confirmed he was her attacker, he pled guilty to the two assaults, and was sentenced and served a ten year sentence. He is not a good person. I have said many times they could drop him back in El Salvador sans parachute for all I care. But I'll be daggoned if I'll sit by and let the government pawn off Chandra's murder to a jog in the park she never took.

Guandique never told anyone he killed Chandra. There were two "cellmate confession" accusations, one in late 2001 early 2002 where Guandique passed his lie detector test and the cellmate accuser failed his. They were both Spanish speaking obviously since Guandique didn't speak English. The other was this government spin job where the accuser got his witness protection program but then made sure he didn't have to tell his lie again by telling at least one person he was lying. It is beyond my comprehension that this random multi-day encounter with a motel neighbor where he tells her his innermost secrets and threatens people she knows wasn't intended to get to authorities, in any event the "I killed that girl" story was totally made up.

As for the ginned up stuff from the Washington Post reporter and DC police and prosecutors colluding with her, Guandique was given a lie detector test about Chandra Levy three years earlier, so this stuff about him saying "some Italian looking girl" and "that girl" and having a picture of her and not knowing who she is is again total lies from the government intended and successful in poisoning the public against their target. Also "heavily tattooed" was a favorite of these idiots, even though Guandique got the tattoos in prison. His arrest report six days after Chandra disappeared noted nothing about tattoos or noticeable marks on his face.

Me ignore something? I have a comprehensive compendium of every bit of information about this case, and believe me it's impossible for much of it to be true because of conflicts with other information. But I ignore none of it. Had you provided any new information I wasn't aware of I certainly would not have ignored it.

I have no problem with anyone being found to be the murderer, none at all, as long as it arrived at by truth and not lies. The only truth we have is communications we have between Chandra and people she knew. Most of everything else is unfortunately pretty much self serving lies.

I don't use the word lie easily. But bogus information intended to arrive at a desired result is simply a lie.

As far as conspiracy goes, I have only written the facts. I have not excluded mitigating facts and cherry picked incriminating information out of context. I have not offered an opinion of who the murderer is because there are unanswered questions that could be answered by others than Condit. He has always taken the Fifth under oath and I wouldn't expect anything else from him. I have documented several versions of stories he told police which changed as new information was revealed. I wouldn't expect anything less from him.

I have read the other side, and there's lots of anonymous claims that never made it into trial testimony. The other side is the government justice department, and while I wish the other side was compelling and a case was made and the right person convicted, the other side has no integrity and basically plays a rope-a-dope game with the truth.

There is no justice for Chandra in the other side.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I simply don't believe the DC prosecutors dropped the charges against Guandique based on what's quoted in this article. I do believe that they were convinced that Babs (is that even a name?) would testify that Morales said he was lying even though it's not recorded, which would nullify Morales testimony about what Guandique told him. Hearsay versus hearsay.

The fact that she pressed Morales about truthfulness of his testimony and came away with an answer that isn't recorded sounds like a quest. It is very strange and if there was anything this case needed, it wasn't more strangeness.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 1:33 pm    Post subject: "Wired" Reply with quote

I really wonder if there isn't another recording, or part of the recording mentioned by the Washington Post, that hasn't been made public--one (or a part of this one) that WAS recorded with a warrant issued by the U.S. Attorney's office, which is in charge of approving someone who is going to wear a wire and allow themselves to be monitored by the FBI for investigative purposes.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 5:50 pm    Post subject: The "Washington Post " and the CIA Reply with quote

There has been a long-term connection between the Washington Post and the CIA. This article provides some more recent insight into the connection. I wonder how much this relationship influenced past and is influencing present Chandra Levy and Ingmar Guandique reporting.

"The Huffington Post"
"Why the Washington Post's New Ties to the CIA are Ominous"
by Normon Solomon
January 13, 2014

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/norman-solomon/why-the-washington-posts_b_4587927.html

We need to keep in mind that Mr. C. was a senior member of the House of Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intellignce and may have had knowledge of intelligence gathering locations and methods that are classified and which may have been revealed, if the truth about Chandra's death came out during the original investigation or if Guandique would have received another trial.


U.S. House of Representatives
Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
History and Jurisdiction
intelligence.house.gov

http://intelligence.house.gov/about/history-and-jurisdiction.htm

Also, may be the Washington Post covers up for the Bureau of Prisons, and FBI, as well, since there are cases, like those involving drug trafficking and terrorism, which involve all three agencies.

This can be the only explanation for the way Chandra's murder investigation and Ingmar Guandique's trial and dismissal have progressed all of these years.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:12 pm    Post subject: Re: "Wired" Reply with quote

Rainbow wrote:
I really wonder if there isn't another recording, or part of the recording mentioned by the Washington Post, that hasn't been made public--one (or a part of this one) that WAS recorded with a warrant issued by the U.S. Attorney's office, which is in charge of approving someone who is going to wear a wire and allow themselves to be monitored by the FBI for investigative purposes.


The Post reported that if there was, the US Atttorney's office didn't have it and questioned her about her motives.

So if it wasn't given to Washington Post or DC prosecutors, I would say there isn't a recording of him saying he was lying. The recording does include her pressing him as to whether his story was true, which he said it was, and yet she says he did say it and contacted everyone and said it was the right thing to do.

And then the DC prosecutors dropped the retrial like a hot potato.

I find this very very bizarre and difficult to believe, and this isn't the first time in this case.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I would look at is what did Condit know (that Levy could have found out) that caused someone to want to put an end to her, OR someone killed her to put an end to something Condit was doing as a Congressman. Otherwise, I think the illegal did it..

Don't know who did it, but as regards to Condit this was just an old fashioned love triangle gone bad (or multiple overlapping triangles) with extremely high stakes. That does not bode well for the other woman who is insisting on a confrontation with the wife.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Guandique dismissal represents the second fiasco in the Chandra Levy case. The first was the media frenzy over Rep. Gary Condit (D-Calif.) as a possible suspect, which cost him his seat in Congress because he had an affair with her.

rock and a hard place. If he had come clean and said publically that there was an affair and he's sorry but just a coincidence she disappeared, that wasn't going to go over too well. Denying it and the way he acted was even worse.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I finally got all the way thru "Murder on a Horse Trail". Interesting. We normally see cases in small communities where experience with homicides is very limited and the investigative resources, such as a crime tech unit, even more limited. One that comes to mind is the Tara Grinstead disappearance, where they almost immediately called in state investigators. But this is a major metropolitan area in the Levy case, why so many screw ups? I don't know if it could be a conspiracy or not, but it sure is difficult to determine what happened through all these missteps by LE.

Tara Grinstead's disappearance was heartbreaking to me (see 30 year old Georgia teacher Tara Grinstead missing). I also went there and looked around, but certainly wasn't much to see or look into. I did post quite a bit on it and was dismayed about what little could be done.

The main problem with Chandra's disappearance was that DC police operated off the assumption that an adult woman had the right to "disappear". And the mindset was set that way by Condit telling them Chandra was an obsessed constituent who might have done anything because he refused to take her calls.

And then it went downhill from there because of media focus on Condit. Had the DC police not been so focused on protecting Condit from a seemingly unrelated issue, that of an affair with a woman who was obsessed and suicidal at his rejection, they might have determined that Chandra had not disappeared willingly sooner. But as it was, they were still distributing amateur photshopped images of Chandra with kindergarten level wigs pasted on two and a half months after she disappeared and asking people to keep a lookout for this (in their mind) crazy woman.

Couldn't be suicide, they said. We never found a body.

Needless to say, between that and Laci Peterson and men making women disappear, I focused on missing women for a number of years. Jennifer Kesse was probably the last major time I spent on a case (see Blowup of Jennifer Kesse person of interest / suspect). I felt that at least police were taking missing women seriously so many of these ex's or wannabe ex's taking matters into their own hand.

Thanks for the kind words about Murder on a Horse Trail.

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click to read the online true crime mystery novel Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chandra disappeared during her morning jog in Rock Creek Park.

In addition to the obvious that she logged off the internet at 1 pm and no sign of her after that, making it a disappearance that began in the afternoon, Chandra didn't have a morning jog. She didn't have a daily jog. Chandra didn't ever jog. She didn't even run on a treadmill in her gym.

But it was critical to DC prosecutors to have Chandra as a jogger to have her place herself where her remains were found in Rock Creek Park. This was a matter of expedience to Justice because the alternative was someone hiding her body above a 70 foot cliff on Broad Branch Road a hundred feet below a horse trail. And a rough steep horse trail at that.

So they made her a jogger when she wasn't one to make their case, a case they didn't have at all but if they're going to make Chandra a jogger then you can imagine other missing details didn't matter much.

Justice for Chandra most certainly won't be found by making her a jogger in Rock Creek Park as authorities have done.

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