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jane
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder why this letter was never admitted into evidence? Does anyone think that keeping evidence from the defense earlier on is now biting the prosecution in the butt? _________________ "There is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known."
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Rainbow
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:26 pm Post subject: Guest and Fish Smell After Two Days |
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I just think that this is fishy. |
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laskipper
Joined: 17 Sep 2002 Posts: 1232 Location: Northern Ohio
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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jane wrote: | from the same article:....In a defeat for prosecutors, though, Fisher rejected a proposal that jurors see a letter written by the primary witness against Guandique. The letter had been referred to during trial but never formally admitted into testimony.... |
I'm confused.
If the letter was not made available for the defense to peruse or for that matter to use as a means to discredit Morales (depending on the content), then why did the prosecution mention or allude to the contents during the trial? Doesn't that 'open the door' for the defense?
This trial is a mis-trial, out of the gate IMO.
penalty flag #2 for the prosecution
ls _________________ A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves
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Rainbow
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:40 pm Post subject: Strike #2 |
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Right on, Skipper! |
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jane
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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The defense has been complaining from the get-go about the behaviour of the prosecution. _________________ "There is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known."
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Rainbow
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:45 pm Post subject: Emperor's New Clothes |
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And the prosecution actually followed through with this behavior! |
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jane
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Rainbow
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:00 pm Post subject: Jaffe Article |
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Great stuff, Jane! I just read it and it expresses my feelings to a T. |
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laskipper
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Just sent him an email- the Levy family has a son as well and he stated that their only child was Chandra...
Other than that, good article.
ls _________________ A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves
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French philosopher Bertrand de Jouvenel (1903-1987) |
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Rainbow
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:24 pm Post subject: Same Sentiments |
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Ditto! |
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rd
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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jane wrote: | If this is the photo from Guandique's May 7 2001 arrest... Boy, I would love to see it, too! To see whether any remnants of the alleged scratches and fat lip from May 1 are evident... |
That has me most intrigued. If the jury is savvy enough to request a photo of Guandique that they somehow know has been submitted as evidence but weren't shown, and they have determined to ascertain whether this is a photo around May 1, 2001 of Guandique and whether there are these significant facial injuries testified to by the landlady, then this is indeed a worthy jury for this trial.
I asked the question in Murder on a Horse Trail, and no one would try to answer it except a jury. That sums up the state of the investigation into Chandra Levy's disappearance to a T.
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rd
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: Missing Arrest Report |
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Rainbow wrote: | Interesting, as regards the photo. I think it would be a positive sign, if the jury were asking about the 1st arrest photo. It is also interesting to note that that first arrest report did not show up, initially, when Guandique was arrested the 2nd. time.
I guess that this was like so many other things that went missing in this case--even Chandra. |
This is a good point and I know jane was only speculating that that might be the photo, the May 7 mug shot of his arrest.
However, no one has ever indicated they've seen it and unknown that it exists. My guess was that the DC police would have destroyed it as counterproductive to the agenda.
It may very well be a photo of tattoos. That prosecution would be submitting, I would be stunned and amazed if they submitted a mug shot that showed one of their star witnesses lying.
rd
PS. I see in earlier post that it is a photo of Guandique taken in Rock Creek Park. A personal photo they obtained, perhaps from girlfriend?
I'll best it still has to do with tattoos. They want to see what kind of tattooed gangbanger he was before he went to prison as DC prosecutors claim.
Arrest report said no visible tattoos. |
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laskipper
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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Good point about the jury wanting to see the photo of Guandique- being a good sign. Totally agree. Hopefully it is the 1st arrest photo that Rainbow mentions?
Encouraging news:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/17/AR2010111706195.html
By Keith L. Alexander
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, November 17, 2010; 7:34 PM
Attorneys argue over letter as Levy jurors deliberate
Fair use excerpt:
During closing arguments Tuesday, Guandique's lead attorney, Santha Sonenberg, told the jury that Morales was "coached" by the prosecution and suggested that information in Morales's letter differed from his testimony as a result of that coaching. Sonenberg repeatedly suggested that if jurors wondered why the letter was not introduced as evidence, they should look to prosecutors for answers.
Prosecutors were outraged by the accusations. Campoamor aggressively tried to get the letter in front of the jurors to rebut Sonenberg's assertions.
Campoamor told Judge Gerald I. Fisher that Sonenberg was "attacking the government" and that if the letter is not admitted, "we can't prove what was in the letter."
"Jurors won't be able to assess whether to believe her argument that important details were missing or that Mr. Morales was coached by us," Campoamor said. "We are hampered in our ability to counteract efforts by the defense about [Morales] being coached if the jury doesn't have the letter and evaluate for themselves," Campoamor argued.
Fisher rejected Campoamor's request, ruling that the letter should have been admitted during the trial, not during deliberations.
end excerpt
Sounds like that could create a reasonable doubt?
ls _________________ A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves
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jane
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Unfortunately my guess was wrong - see earlier in this thread I post that Mike Doyle said the photo was of Guandique in Rock Creek Park. _________________ "There is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known."
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Rainbow
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:04 pm Post subject: Evening the Score |
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Applause for Judge Fisher, with regard to the letter!!!
And, as rd has stated, this must be a photo that could be used to discern visible tatoos. |
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