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Dateline Tonight- Mary Winkler's Story- New revelations!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 2:00 am    Post subject: Dateline Tonight- Mary Winkler's Story- New revelations! Reply with quote

Check Your Local Listings for this story we have followed.

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two-hour Dateline Friday report, 'The Preacher's Wife', the story of Mary Winkler who made headlines in March 2006 for killing her preacher husband. Her court trial and exclusive interview with Dateline's Keith Morrison however reveals the allegedly abusive nature of Mary Winkler's husband.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will try to catch it - I remember we wondered was she truly trying to protect herself or just didn't want him to see what she'd been up to with the bank account.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have it on DVR and did not get a chance to watch it but will for sure and will report back. Hope you did get to see it Jane.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My son brought the family room TV up to his room - I said I didn't mind as I don't want to watch TV generally and forgot about that show... I'll try and catch something about it online, and will see what you have to say also.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried to watch a video of part of the show but they were phony links - I hope I didn't get a virus!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK I am waiting for all of you to get pisst at me but now that I watched it, (and it was too dragged out) I believe Mary was abused. I believed her.

OK, it is no reason for her to kill him, I think she snapped after so much abuse, but I changed my stance. I think he did abuse her and very much so. I watched her interview the last hour and I don't think she was lying.. What makes it right to believe him over her? He had control and power, she was a nobody in the community.

I wish she could have walked away from him earlier. We believe most women, why not Mary?

I watched with another, ( a man) and he was not sure if she was abused but felt she should not have a her children and still her sentence was too light. I too believe this is so too, yet believe the abuse was true.

Nobody wins here.

Goz

PS: She states he watched much porno, (great Pastor) Made her watch it with him, dress up, have oral and anal sex daily, he kicked her often and hit her alot. He threatened to kill her if she left. I felt the need to believe her and by the time the show ended, I hated him for all the power he had over her. She also stated he tried to smother the babies when they cried.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi goz. I remember the platform shoes she showed on the witness stand (that she said he made her wear).

Did the subject of what she was doing with the bank accounts come up?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

During the first half they brought up the platform shoes and showed them again. They did not go into much of the abuse in the first half. There was an interview with Mary during the 2nd half where she talked about the sexual abuse and what the Pastor did to her.

The first half they discussed her check kiting but to be honest I really felt lost and did not understand the whole concept of check kiting Jane. She borrowed to pay off the first check. It appears she opened bank accounts all over and wrote checks to pay off the first check and also a PO BOX so her husband would not find out. She owed aprox. 6500.00 but they never said what she spent the money on. I am still lost as to what this is all about.

The abuse was shocking yet abuse we have all heard before. I found it terrible since he was a Pastor. I already read on WS that people didn't believe the interview but I did. I found her to be honest.

She said when the babies cried he would go in the room and they would stop. She found him putting his hand over their mouths.
I buy most of her story because they did find his computer filled with porno so why not believe the rest?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assuming she's telling the truth, it would be a horrible situation to be in, that's for sure.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found the info on the $6500. here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19683388/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/

It began in December 2005, said the prosecution, when -- quite out of the blue -- a check for nearly $6,500 arrived at the already cash-strapped Winkler home.


A specialist in bank scams told the jury it was obviously just that -- a scam. It was a phoney lottery.

Freeland [district attorney]: How does this scheme or scam work?
Brent Booth: Primarily random mailing. They'll send a letter and a check.

But instead of throwing it away, she deposited the check. She spent the money, but the check bounced. To cover the losses from the fake check, prosecutors said Mary dug herself in deeper.

Brent Booth: February 11 of '06, Mary Winkler changed from the mail being delivered at home to a P.O. box at the Selmer post office.

Video: Winkler prosecution asks for guilty verdict

Diverting the mail thus prevented incriminating correspondence from reaching home -- and Matthew.

Walt Freeland: Was there any significance to you a-- about what happened four days after that?
Brent Booth: Yes.
Walt Freeland: And what is that?
Brent Booth: Opening a bank account in an out-of-town bank, First State Bank in Henderson, Tennessee.

By late February Mary had five bank accounts. Prosecutors argued that she would deposit a worthless check into one bank, then draw money on the check and put it into another bank before the 1st bank discovered it was worthless. It's called check kiting, it's illegal, and bank tellers noticed.

Judi Mills: This check came back to us -- stamped "fraudulent item."

Amy Hollingsworth: In February, there was a check deposited in the amount of $7,000 that I had to put a hold on.

There were others, too, all signed by Mary.

Walt Freeland: Were any of these checks signed by Matthew Winkler?
Amber Brown: No.

By March 20, just two days before Matthew's death, Mary was scrambling. She made 16 telephone transfers, account to account, in a 30-hour period.

By the next day, March 21, pressure on Mary seemed to be building. That day, she worked as a substitute teacher. A fellow teacher said she walked past Mary's classroom several times, and each time, Mary was on the phone.


Kacey Michelle Broadway: She was pacing back and forth. And she just had a upset look in her-- on her face.

Well of course she was upset, said the prosecutor. Those phone calls were from bankers ordering her to come a meeting -- and to bring her husband.

Amy Hollingsworth: I did say to her that if -- if we couldn't work out -- if she wasn't able to come in, it would be turned over to our security department.

Walt Freeland: Was a deadline or a date discussed with her as to when these needed to be resolved?
Amy Hollingsworth: Yes, sir.

That date was March 22.

March 22 was the day Matthew died and she was going to have to explain herself.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow.

So do you think the abuse was fictitious, Skipper?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No- I believe that she was abused. She got involved in the lottery scam and deposited the check into a separate bank account, making it impossible for her to tell the husband when she learned that she was roped in by the
fake check.

Most likely she was counting on the 'lottery money' to get away from her husband. Instead, she became entangled, making things worse as she attempted to cover up.

Sad story.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, Skipper, I never thought of that - it does make sense.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank u skipper for explaining it all.

I just thought I came to the wrong conclusion again since I did believe her.

You make sense about what you feel she may have needed the money for. I believe it more now.

Thanks
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad you believe her all the more Goz. I think she was a victim - but you sure don't solve problems with a 12 gauge...

Jane- that was what came to mind reading her story- and the 'why' of the secret bank account. Good to know it makes sense to you both too!

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