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jane



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi everyone.That is a good point, Rainbow, about tabloids. I remember my father used to buy a National Enquirer every once in a while - we all made fun of hiim for that, but he said there were some items he would read there weeks or months before they came out in the mainstream press. I wish I had asked him to circle which articles he read - I'm pretty sure they would not have been about celebrities having alien babies.

James, I did read that book when it came out - maybe I'll read it again. I'm guessing that the main thing that points to a murder by someone she knew is that her body remained hidden for so long.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's part of it, jane, but I think much more than that. For example being tied up with her own tights shows a sophistication of bondage by the murderer, whether he actually murdered her that way or in my opinion was staging the murder scene. Either way, the person doing it is sophisticated in bondage techniques.

We know from Anne Marie Smith's observations that Condit was an older experienced person who had bondage paraphernalia. The ties to the bedposts under his mattress is indisputable, and I believe what she told police she saw in a wardrobe was associated with bondage. That has only been implied in the press quotes of her attorney however.

The DC police and prosecutors are trying to get around this and every other fatal inconsistency with fact and their agenda by claiming that Guandique was assisted by ghostly, unknown, mirage like gang members who he then murdered and turned into actual ghosts.

Or something like that. The indictments read like a Supernatural fanfic.

Speaking of Supernatural fanfic level fare, I have commended National Enquirer a couple of times through the years. One was for their cover story on the Luray Caverns phone call from Condit two weeks after Chandra disappeared (and as I determined from various snippets from news articles, coincided with a phone call from former Condit aide and mistress Joleen Argentini McKay warning the FBI to search Condit's apartment when the news that the missing Chandra Levy was linked to Condit got out, the DC police sought a search warrant to do so and were denied by the US Attorney because Condit was a Congressman, and were searching the dumpster behind Condit's building when he was escorted off the House floor by his aides and missed votes for the rest of the day for the only time that year and most any year, because he was back in Washington the next day. But that night of leaving the House floor he made a midnight call to Anne Marie Smith from a payphone down the street from Luray Caverns in Luray, Virginia.)

No other publication will touch this. It is truly too spooky for them to deal with. But unlike most other information mainstream media will touch, this wasn't anonymous information, and there are phone records to back it up.

Sex, Power & Murder: Chandra Levy and Gary Condit--The Affair That Shocked America (Paperback) by David Wright (Author), Don Gentile (Author) is available used on Amazon and has been purchased recently. And if James Anderson and jane found it useful, that's a pretty good recomendation.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, speaking of books, Michael Doyle reports that the Washington Post reporters' book "Finding Chandra: A True Washington Murder Mystery" is coming out anyway, on May 11.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/02/19/1489576/book-to-detail-chandra-levy-slaying.html


Simon & Schuster publishing house Scribner is releasing it, with forward by Bob Woodyard likening it to Truman Capote's "In Cold Blood". Doyle has quotes from Susan Levy about it, "I will read it, but it opens old wounds", and reports that the book quotes from letters and diary entries from Anne Marie Smith.

Interesting.

Of course, they also deal with Condit same as they did in the series, so nicely that Condit granted them an interview for the series, which as I recall went something like, "see, everyone except me was a liar and they should have been going after this Guandique guy instead of me".

Or something like that.

I probably won't be buying it if it reads anything like the Washington Post series unless I hear from you guys that it has some new info. I just couldn't stomach to read that series after the first couple of days of nausea induced reading.

But maybe it will come out much more interesting in book form. Let's hope. It should garner a lot of interest and I hope sales will do well for it.

From Doyle's description, they made it sound like Deep Throat was their source, believe it or not.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah - the reporters were slipped a manilla envelope with secret documents. Imagine a guy like Guandique having cloak and dagger stuff like that going on against him. Does this convince everyone that Guandique was a Richard Nixon or something?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reporters Need to Get Their Dates Straight! Reply with quote

Hi "Our Gang"!
I, myself, look forward to reading what is written in the book, especially any "police reports" and "diary entries". By the way, is it legal to reveal confidential witness information, without the witness' permission? Would it be possible for the defense to get an injunction against the publication of the book, prior to Guandique's trial? In the least, the prospect of this book appearing prior to his trial would seem to be justifiable grounds for moving the trial to a different geographic area.
I would be interested in reading how the police reports and FBI reports (hopefully) that Jim Robinson and Anne-Marie Smith provided are relayed in the book. I wonder if Anne-Marie gave permission to have her diary entries quoted. I am also interested in how the reports of credible sighting(s) of someone with Chandra's vital statistics (inclusive tatoo), in the Adams-Morgan area after the media-declared date of her murder, are being reported, as well.
In addition, I know that it is a coincidence, but May 11th is an important date in the case, as it is on or around a date on which Anne-Marie Smith may have received an important call (according to published reports). The call may or may not be related to other evidence that was given to the D.C. police and FBI by potential witnesses, in regard to that same date. I wonder if any of that evidence will appear in the book. Somehow, I doubt it, as the WP reporters never interviewed certain detective(s) or FBI personnel.
So, it is indeed ironic, that a book making claims to having the answers to Chandra's disappearance and murder, based on incorrect, media-dictated facts, as well as incomplete and false "witness" testimony, leading to even falser charges against an even more "false" person is scheduled to be released on a date, which may, indeed, be close to, if not "the" true date of her final disappearance.
Great job reporters!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the Doyle article -

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Famed reporter Bob Woodward has provided the marketing blurb, likening "Finding Chandra" to the Truman Capote classic "In Cold Blood."


That in itself is such an un-apt comparison, given the huge & obvious differences between the two cases. I don't know how Woodward could write that with a straight face.

I will look at this book, perhaps even read it, if it ever winds up at my local library. Ain't gonna pay for it.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:25 pm    Post subject: Bob Woodward, please "Go lightly"! Reply with quote

Hi Lector!
I have to admit that I haven't read "In Cold Blood", yet. I will definitely get hold of a copy, though. I did read "Breakfast at Tiffany's". I thought that the book provided great psychological insight into how "women", in particular, assume a large part of their identity from their "significant other(s)".
. . . So, Lector, I just went and read a synopsis of "In Cold Blood". You are totally correct! Bob and the WP are making total and complete fools out of themselves. It seems they have bought into the "staged" crime scene, the "jogger" connection and the well-meaning, college-student "Do it yourself!" criminologists' theories!!!
Bob Woodruff would have shown a greater intellectual grasp of this case by comparing it to "Breakfast at Tiffany's", instead of "In Cold Blood"!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Rainbow,

I haven't read In Cold Blood either, but I knew enough about it to know how different it is from the new book on Chandra's case.

Back in the 1970s, I had to read Norman Mailer's The Executioner's Song in manuscript as part of my job as a literary agent - that was his effort to write something similar to In Cold Blood - and that pretty much sated my appetite for such books.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Rainbow and Lector. I remember the book - I think I actually just read a review or excerpt of it in a magazine like Life and, as Lector said - not pretty subject material - especially for someone as young as I was at the time! It's lucky I didn't turn into something really weird (debatable, I suppose...)
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, what I vaguely recall about In Cold Blood was that Truman Capote talking on tv scared me more than anything he could describe. Some gruesome murders at a farmhouse, IIRC.

Quite frankly, folks, that's the daily news now.

No, Bob Woodyard was clearly dropping names trying to hype the Washington Post reporters' book. Even more so with the reporters generating Deep Throat ambience. Has no resemblance whatsoever to In Cold Blood type of book, and could have a legitimate whiff of Watergate if they were going after the truth instead of Guandique.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:18 pm    Post subject: Effect of Supreme Court ruling on Guandique case Reply with quote

Some new analysis from Michael Doyle.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/05/89919/supreme-court-ruling-eases-prosecution.html
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:19 pm    Post subject: The Mispelled Letters-of-the Law Reply with quote

Hi Sigsky et al.!
Thanks for the information. I wonder if the Supreme Court decision on the Maryland vs. Shatzer case applies only to information a defendant wants to provide about the same case he/she was originally charged with or if it, indeed, also refers to charges prosecutors want to bring in reference to other case(s). According to our Michael Doyle, the new ruling encompasses both.
That would mean that had this law been previously in effect, John Mark Carr could have received a stiff sentence for Jon-Benet Ramsey's murder, in addition to the sentence he received on child-pornography, etc., charges.
Now, how much "non-" sense does this new ruling make?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's an interesting analysis from Michael Doyle. I'm glad this has been settled prior to any Guandique trail. I would hope for as little rope-a-dope ducking behind technicalities as possible. Lay it all out there. These DC detectives tried to pull the standard scam of lying about evidence they had and Guandique verbally sparred with them about it. He could have said well you planted it then, goofballs, but he speaks Spanish so it doesn't have the same effect though a translator.

Whatever, he challenged them with so what, so now that's their case, and he needs to explain to a jury rather than trying to keep the jury from knowing about it. Because it's been covered in the press, so it's not like people don't know about it anyway.

Or maybe he can challenge the jury with so what, and they can convict him on general principle.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 4:04 pm    Post subject: (Possible) Serious Conflict(s) of Interest Reply with quote

Hi everybody!
There sure seems to be a lot of "politics" involved in this case. Word among potential witnesses affiliated with the original investigation has it that some of them were told to "drop" the case by upper echelon member(s) of the Republican party with close ties to the Justice Department.
I know it is only a coincidence, but Justice Scalia was a Republican appointee. On second thought (and after reading some of the names mentioned in this Wikipedia article), could Michael Doyle be on to something?

Wikipedia.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonin_Scalia
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rainbow, I think the mishandling of Chandra's disappearance and murder is a rare bipartisan injustice. There are reasons for those in power across the spectrum to act as they did and are doing I believe primarily because Condit was a conservative Democrat who was recruited to switch Republican, and a powerful Congressman on the Intelligence Committee.

Concerning this ruling, you'd be hard pressed to find judges who would rule that a person couldn't be questioned for life about a certain crime once they had invoked their right to an attorney. I think the issue here is that of being a federal prisoner not being the same situation as someone outside of prison in considering that a lawyer be present for further questioning.

Yes, the court has tilted right with eight years of Republicans appointing judges, US Attorneys, and Supreme Court Justices. And of course it will swing back with Democrat appointments.

It was a US Attorney during the Bush adminstration who stopped the DC police from investigating the powerful conservative Democrat congressman Condit, it was both Republican and Democrat House leaders who did nothing while Condit avoided responding to subpeonas that normal citizens must respond to for information in trying to find Chandra, and it is the decidely Democrat DC establishment that went after Guandique as soon as the Democrats retook the administration and Justice Department.

The local Democrat DC politics of not even wanting to deal with a non-local government intern disappearance is yet another aspect of how Chandra's disappearance has been tainted by politics from the beginning.

And continues to this day with attempting to pin on a Latino illegal immigrant.

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