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Elizabeth Bain Disappearance - Did Paul Bernardo do it?

 
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:51 am    Post subject: Elizabeth Bain Disappearance - Did Paul Bernardo do it? Reply with quote

22 year old Elizabeth Bain disappeared in 1990. Her body has never been found but her boyfriend, Robert Baltovich, was accused of her murder. Recently the case against him has been dropped and his lawyers believe Paul Bernardo might have been responsible for her disappearance.

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Did Paul Bernardo do it?

Notorious sex killer denied murdering Bain, but witnesses saw man fitting his description

Apr 23, 2008 04:30 AM
Betsy Powell
Peter Small
Courts Bureau

"If it wasn't Robert Baltovich, then who else could it have been?"

Baltovich's defence team says that legitimate question was never properly addressed because the police focus back in 1990 was on Baltovich "to the exclusion of all other potential perpetrators."

The possibility that the Scarborough rapist might have been responsible for Baltovich's girlfriend Elizabeth Bain's death and disappearance two years earlier was raised during his first trial in 1992, but the evidence was sketchy, Heather McArthur said in pre-trial arguments last December.

The jury knew only that no arrest had been made in a series of increasingly violent rapes in Scarborough. The public did not yet know the name Paul Bernardo.

When Bernardo was arrested in February of 1993 for the murders of Leslie Mahaffy and Kristen French, Baltovich's trial lawyer, Michael Engel, suggested the police reopen their investigation of the Bain case.

Bernardo fit the description given at the first trial by two witnesses of a man they saw with Bain shortly before she vanished on June 19, 1990. Bernardo grew up in Scarborough and was living with his parents when Bain disappeared.
Baltovich's family hired a private investigator to gather fresh evidence for his appeal. By the time of the appeal in 2004 the defence vigorously argued that Bain was Bernardo's first murder victim.

The Crown has always rejected Bernardo as a "viable alternative suspect" and that didn't change with Baltovich's acquittal. Bernardo has denied killing Bain.

Still, in pre-trial arguments, McArthur argued there was a powerful body of evidence pointing to the notorious sex killer, including:

Between March 1986 and May 26, 1990, he committed 21 sexual assaults in the Scarborough area – 14 of which the Crown admits – with a pattern of escalating violence.
    >He attended U of T's Scarborough campus, from which Bain disappeared, and took his girlfriends to adjoining Colonel Danforth Park.
    >Receipts found in Bernardo's house in St. Catharines show he frequented various stores in, or near, the Scarborough area around the time of Bain's disappearance.
    >An ex-Bernardo girlfriend knew Bain and introduced her to Bernardo in the mid-'80s. The ex-girlfriend also had a crush on Bain's brother, which once caused Bernardo to fly into a jealous rage.
    >Bain was seen at a restaurant with a blond man several weeks before her disappearance. The restaurant was one Bernardo was known to frequent. Around the same time she was seen arguing with a blond man in a red Jeep in a plaza with another Bernardo watering hole.
    >At 5:30 p.m. on the day Bain went missing, a female U of T student saw a blond man on the Scarborough campus staring, frightening her as she made a phone booth call. She wrote a description of him and said he resembled a composite drawing of the Scarborough rapist.
    >A package of du Maurier Light cigarettes – Bernardo's brand – was in the glove box of Bain's car.
    >Bain's car was found backed into its parking spot, consistent with how Bernardo parked.
    >The radio was tuned to CFNY 102.1, Bernardo's favourite station. A New Order recording, another favourite, was in the cassette deck.

Together, the findings raise a "reasonable possibility" and include the "probability" Bernardo committed the crime," lawyer James Lockyer, who led the defence team, told Superior Court yesterday.

Private investigator Brian King said with Baltovich's acquittal police have an "obligation to continue to bring the true killer to justice."

In his reply to the defence motions, Crown prosecutor Philip Kotanen argued that the Bernardo theory is highly speculative. "Anything is possible but that is not the evidence you have ... there is nothing to say that this is Bernardo."

At the time, Bernardo was a rapist, not "the Scarborough murderer," Kotanen argued.

There is no evidence of rape in Bain's murder. Referring to Bain's death, he said: "a public park near a campus on the longest day of the year in broad daylight ... none of it fits his pattern."

Bernardo left his victims in obvious trauma. But there were no screams heard or blood found in the valley where Bain was believed killed, the prosecutor said.

After May 26, 1990, no more Scarborough rapes have come to light, Kotanen said. We know that Bernardo pulled up stakes in Scarborough and started committing crimes elsewhere, he added.

Regarding whether Bernardo backed in to parking spots, the evidence is that he sometimes did and sometimes didn't, Kotanen said.

There is no evidence how long the cigarettes had been in the car and, besides, Bain sometimes smoked and "it is a brand associated with her," the prosecutor said.

"Bernardo is so hated and feared that when this evidence goes in it has the potential to be devastating to the Crown's case," Kotanen argued. "It will be a new trial of Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka."
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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23 April 2008

    CONVERSATION WITH A KILLER

    On June 7, 2007, police interviewed Paul Bernardo at Kingston Penitentiary and asked him about Elizabeth Bain. Here is a transcript:

    Police: Um, did you kill Elizabeth Bain on June 19, 1990?

    Bernardo: Well that's a loaded question. I mean, are we going to go back and go through the time sequence of what happened in my life. I mean I could just give a yes or no answer. But you know, there are a lot of issues about that.

    Police: Right.

    Bernardo: You know, Karla's and my role. Who did what, when, why – you guys, you know, go down there to get a polygraph to get to see if she's telling the truth. Why didn't they do it in the first place? ... why would he make a deal with someone and not give them a polygraph? It's incomprehensible. You know, because ... my file says her version and it's a lie. ... I'm not making frivolous points here. And now, you're asking me, after Peel Regional says I'm lying about this and now you're saying I'm lying about my profile. ... and now you're saying hey, did you kill this person? I mean if you're saying I'm lying here, here and here. I could say no, I didn't, but, I mean you already said I'm lying here with the Peel. You say ...

    Police: I'm not saying anything about who's lying. I'm simply ...

    Bernardo: And I've given you directions to go to find the truth and no one has done that.

    Police: Right. And again I've told you that I've done the investigation from what information you've told me and ... I've been able to verify in my mind where you've told me the truth. So if Peel Region is lying about you or someone else is lying about you, I have no control over that or (inaudible).

    Bernardo: It goes right to credibility.

    Police: Well, absolutely. ... I hope to be able to go through some timelines here and identify where you were, what you were doing specifically in relation to this case.

    Bernardo: Anyways, I know I'm giving you guys a hard time but I mean really. I'm a human being. When you guys do all these things, I've gotta. I'll try to give you a little bit more but. Anyways the answer to that is no. But the 800-pound gorilla in a room – that's life-25 sentence, you know. It really comes down to credibility.

    Police: Right.

    Bernardo: And not only credibility but then again timelines, what Karla's and my roles were respectively and this and that – the answer is no to that question.

    Police: Did you have anything to do with her disappearance?

    Bernardo: No.

    Police: Did you know Elizabeth Bain?

    Bernardo: Not that I know of.

    Police: Had you ever met her?

    Bernardo: I'm going to answer that one with I don't remember. Because if I did, I don't remember. I know an ex-girlfriend, which I can think – but I don't know.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Timeline

June 19, 1990: Elizabeth Bain, 22, vanishes after telling parents she was headed to University of Toronto’s Scarborough campus.

June 20, 1990: Julita Bain reports her daughter missing to police.


June 22, 1990: Bain’s car is found one kilometre from her home with a blood stain on the floor of the back seat. Her body is never found.


Nov. 19, 1990: Baltovich is arrested and charged with first-degree murder.


March 31, 1992: A jury finds Baltovich guilty of second-degree murder. He is later sentenced to life in prison.


May 1992: Baltovich’s new lawyer files an appeal. Baltovich is denied bail pending his appeal.


Feb. 1997: Baltovich’s appeal is scheduled to begin, but it is postponed indefinitely.


March 31, 2000: Baltovich is released on bail pending an appeal.


Dec. 2, 2004: The Ontario Court of Appeal sets aside Baltovich’s conviction and orders a new trial.


July 15, 2005: Ontario’s Ministry of the Attorney General announces Baltovich will face a new trial on a charge of second-degree murder.


April 22, 2008: Jury finds Baltovich not guilty after Crown effectively drops its case against him.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Off the top of my head, and still on the subject, I think Karla is more hated than Paul because of the plea deal.

Paul probably killed Elizabeth due to the evidence you have listed here yet I do not know enough about the man that was arrested but I have read about this case. (don't remember the facts) -- see the list quoted again below

At the time I think (don't quote me) Paul was still just raping women and torturing them. I do not think he moved on to murder at that time. I think it was when Karla entered his life.

We still can assume he is guilty though. Sadly, I hope Karla had nothing to do with this disappearance since she is free.

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>He attended U of T's Scarborough campus, from which Bain disappeared, and took his girlfriends to adjoining Colonel Danforth Park.
>Receipts found in Bernardo's house in St. Catharines show he frequented various stores in, or near, the Scarborough area around the time of Bain's disappearance.
>An ex-Bernardo girlfriend knew Bain and introduced her to Bernardo in the mid-'80s. The ex-girlfriend also had a crush on Bain's brother, which once caused Bernardo to fly into a jealous rage.
>Bain was seen at a restaurant with a blond man several weeks before her disappearance. The restaurant was one Bernardo was known to frequent. Around the same time she was seen arguing with a blond man in a red Jeep in a plaza with another Bernardo watering hole.
>At 5:30 p.m. on the day Bain went missing, a female U of T student saw a blond man on the Scarborough campus staring, frightening her as she made a phone booth call. She wrote a description of him and said he resembled a composite drawing of the Scarborough rapist.
>A package of du Maurier Light cigarettes – Bernardo's brand – was in the glove box of Bain's car.
>Bain's car was found backed into its parking spot, consistent with how Bernardo parked.
>The radio was tuned to CFNY 102.1, Bernardo's favourite station. A New Order recording, another favourite, was in the cassette deck.


Thanks Jane and keep me posted on any news you can find. I am always interested in the Karla/Paul news. Maybe she will get arrested again soon for something. I can only wish.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:35 pm    Post subject: ? Reply with quote

Does life mean life in Canada when it is handed down by the courts or does Paul or other criminals have a chance of getting out of prison?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Goz. To answer your last Q first, I think it's about the same as in the U.S. It generally means life, but there seem to be exceptions (actually, I'm not totally sure!)

I disagree with you, Goz, about hoping a murder from Karla's past will come to light, because she could be charged for another murder (but not charged again for ones for which she already got light sentences).
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I disagree with you, Goz, about hoping a murder from Karla's past will come to light, because she could be charged for another murder (but not charged again for ones for which she already got light sentences).


I think I posted that incorrectly Jane. I would like to see Karla charged with a crime that she could not plead out too also. I think that explains it much better. If she was involved with this disappearance, maybe they will link her to it and she can be taken to court and put in prison. That would make me happy. I know she can't be charged for her past crimes again even though she lied.

I already posted this but somehow it got lost. The mystery of the internet.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know much about this case - I didn't follow it at the time. Maybe there's a reason why Elizabeth's boyfriend was charged, even though he is off the hook now.

But I don't buy that we know for sure Bernardo was only a rapist up until a specific date. That is making an assumption.

I do feel for Elizabeth's family - I wish somehow the facts could come out - who took her and where she was left.
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