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Arrest Made in JonBenet Ramsey Murder Case
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James Anderson



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:57 pm    Post subject: Arrest Made in JonBenet Ramsey Murder Case Reply with quote

It's been almost a decade since she was murdered. If this case can be solved after 10 years, I guess there's still a chance for a breakthrough in all of these other cold cases, including the Chandra Levy case.

Aug 16, 2006 04:46 PM EDT




U.S. law enforcement officials have confirmed a suspect has been arrested in the JonBenet Ramsey murder case. The suspect was arrested in Bangkok, Thailand Wednesday morning and will be brought to the United States.

Federal officials familiar with the case, who didn't want to be identified, say the man is being held in Bangkok on unrelated sex charges. The suspect has confessed to certain elements of the crime that are unknown to the general public. The identity of the suspect has not been given, but a press conference is expected Wednesday.

KUSA and Associated Press contributed to this report.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think the guy is guilty. I suspect he is just a nut case. He claims he drugged her, had sex with her and accidentally killed her. Bieng bound and beaten is not typically accidental. The problem with that scenario is that her blood screen showed no trace of alcohol or drugs, and his ex-wife says that he was in Alabama at the time of Jon Benet's death. She also states he had a fascination with the Ramsey case and with the Polly Klaas case

My heart goes out to the Ramsey family. I can only imagine the pain of having this brought out again, thinking that they will finally have an answer, and then it turns out to be more bull, but I'm afraid that is the way it will turn out.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now it remains to be seen whether RR falsely confessed to Joanna's murder, and whether a bunch of ex-boyfriends have to become nutcases before they confess in all our other cases.

rd

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure that is a good comparison, RD. If RR can convince the authorities he is guilty of Joanna's death, he goes from facing two capital murder charges, Summer and her unborn child, in a state that loves to execute people of color, to a 40 year sentence. I believe he is guilty, but would certainly want proof under those circumstances

From what I've heard so far, the most that Karr had previously been charged with was possession of child pornography. Not much bargaining power there, and nothing to gain but notoriety. I've been told by LE that almost every major crime brings out confessions from people who could not possibly be involved. I may be hard-headed, but still want some type of evidence before forming an opinion.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watched this on CNN last night and this am. and it appears there is DNA evidence that ties him to the crime....I believe it is sweat or salvia..

Now the question that comes to mind, is how did his DNA come to be registered...

I'd not heard anything TJ about a confession, this comes as a surprize as there is was no mention of that in the reports I watched.

The one thing that did come to mind is that Thailand has a huge industry related to pedophiles, as there this is the market for the east for young girls out of Asia. Because of the collapse of the opium trade, many Asians sell their very very young daughters for monies into the sex trade. I saw a documentary in three parts several years ago, it was mind boggling....

Also AIDS is widespread in these parts as the sex trade is toally out of control.

It was a very scary series, I think the documentary was produced by Canada...

My question is what exactly was he doing over there?

Sure his wife is going to say he was at home, besides her testimony is no good anyway, a wife cannot testify for or against her husband....

However it remains to be seen what evidence there is, he is to be extradited to the US in the next few days...

In defense of the guy, a young girl, who lived next door, says that he never acted inappropriately and that he was a nice guy.

He lives with his Father and his Brother...in a very nice looking house, affluent...

It is truely tragic that Patsy Ramsey did not live to see the outcome, she must of suffered greatly for 10 years however, they were less than cooperative with the police, at least what the media portrayed. Perhaps they knew this man?

It will be a media circus this is for sure!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TJ, I agree, my comparison was not in similarity of motive, to be sure, just whether they are both false confessions.

This guy will be looking to make money off this, and definitely in it for the thrill of being an insider, notarious, etc. The fact that he recently in the past few months started communicating with the teacher/writer extensively says to me that's when he decided to make his move into the spotlight.

He does have the sex offender bail he jumped, and one can argue he really intended not to be caught, but I think he hit the end of the road and is a little nuts to boot.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peripeteia wrote:


Now the question that comes to mind, is how did his DNA come to be registered...

I'd not heard anything TJ about a confession, this comes as a surprize as there is was no mention of that in the reports I watched.

My question is what exactly was he doing over there?

Sure his wife is going to say he was at home, besides her testimony is no good anyway, a wife cannot testify for or against her husband....


In defense of the guy, a young girl, who lived next door, says that he never acted inappropriately and that he was a nice guy.

He lives with his Father and his Brother...in a very nice looking house, affluent...



They just took a DNA swab of him yesterday, which will be compared to the DNA under JBR's fingernails and panties. Another test will be done when he returns to the states.

He confessed as soon as arrested, claiming it was an accident and that he loved her.

He had just started work teaching second graders in a school for foreigners. He had been fired from several jobs in the US for incompetence as a teacher.

His wife had divorced him after his arrest on 5 misdemeanor counts of possession of child pornography, stating that she feared for the safety of their 3 sons and worried about the attention he gave to small children. She also stated he had an unhealthy fascination with the Ramsey and Polly Klaas cases. She also states that they were together on that particular Chistmas day, either in Alabama or Atlanta at his fathers home. A neighbor corroborated that story.

I'll be interested to see the results of the DNA test. I suspect that will be the quickest answer as to whether he is guilty, or just insane. Based on the available information, I would bet on the latter. BTW, Patsy Ramsey had been told before she died that they were investigating a strong lead, as they have been watching him for months.

He disappeared from sight 5years ago. His father had believed him dead. He had been traveling the world before settling in Thailand.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rd wrote:

This guy will be looking to make money off this, and definitely in it for the thrill of being an insider, notarious, etc. The fact that he recently in the past few months started communicating with the teacher/writer extensively says to me that's when he decided to make his move into the spotlight.

He does have the sex offender bail he jumped, and one can argue he really intended not to be caught, but I think he hit the end of the road and is a little nuts to boot.

rd


Don't most states have laws preventing convicted felons from profiting from their actions? I don't know if their is a federal law - if not there should be.

I hadn't heard about him jumping bail. All I had heard was of the one arrest on 5 misdemeanor counts of possession of child porn. What is wrong with the state of California that child porn is a misdemeanor?

I saw an interview with the professor who was making a documentary on the case that was contacted. He stated that Karr took great pains to hide his identity and location, routing his e-mail through Canada somehow. It apparently took several months for LE to find where he was. The Thai police have been watching him for about 3 weeks, according to Primetime.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of misleading info being handed out, TJ. Typical CYA stuff.

I haven't seen the internet news sites for several hours, but what I saw briefly earlier is that he skipped out on bond for a child molestor charge, don't know if misdemeanor or felony. That's when he left the country (about 2002 I believe).

Thai police were watching him because FBI notified them they wanted to arrest him. All pre-arranged, Thailand revoked his passport and handed him to FBI.

The "sex charges" were US charges. His passport was revoked because he was undesirable because FBI said he was.

FBI was looking for him because the JonBenet author he was writing to called them. Perp apparently didn't give the writer his address, and sounds to me like he was emailing through a Canadian ISP. Just a matter of subpeonaing info from the Canadian ISP. Nothing special there.

He is not guilty of JonBenet's murder, so guess what, he can hoax all he wants and there is no felony conviction to keep him from making money on it.

The FBI are still as inadequate as they were (are? ha) in Chandra's case.

Thanks for the comments, TJ, kate, and James.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hanks for the info, CNN gave out none of the info on this guy
other networks obviously did a better job of investigating, or CNN was reticent to give out the information.

Thanks again
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The California charge he skipped bail on was for possession of child pornography.

My big reservation was the ransom note, but my husband saw a report this morning that showed a sample of Karr's writing that is very similar to the ransom note...

Karr has said quite a few inaccurate things, such as drugging JonBenet (no drugs were in her system according to the autopsy), picking her up at school, etc. One of the talking heads speculated that he could have been confusing hers with other cases (that he might have been involved in personally or read about?) Doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't the one who killed JonBenet.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RD you seemed to have summed up all that I have gathered doing research myself - good job. Jane your take on the ransom note is rather interesting.

One thing I did see late last night on Joe Scarb. that blew my mind was that a psychic years ago drew a picture of a person who killed JB. Guess who he resembled-- The present suspect. I was shocked at the detail and likeness. I could not believe it.

Aside from these facts, this guy is a nutcase, and seems to be mixing up too many facts to be anything but a hoax. It is sad this case is going to be dragged through the media again for nothing, (MO). Much money to go around for all.

Rd you are correct, the FBI did a terrible job again. I wish with all my heart that he was the killer so there could be resolution and justice.

But--- this nut needs to be caged up after all that has come out so far, Who knows what he has hidden still?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The DNA test has yet to come back. But if there is a match, it's all over. If it's not a match, they'll never bring it to trial. All of this media frenzy will be for nothing except to give John Karr exactly what he wanted: the spotlight.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This dude made the front page of our local newpaper, that is all bad, we know it is a media circus already if I'm reading it on the front page of a newpaper from the sticks.

Very interesting Jane about the handwriting, can you give a url that I can have a boo at this guys writing, can do a bit of handwriting analysis, and would love to have a look.

Ya James, DNA is almost irrefutable, however there is the possibility that someone planted it, but highly unlikely....

GG, that is a bit freaky about the psychic drawing a picture of him....there is no question that from his photo that he looks distrubed, and not being able to hold down a job as a teacher, this is all bad.

GG do you have a url that I could view of the drawing by the psychic?

We will have to wait and see what happens, suppose he will arrive in the states shortly if not already there...not only is he likely as loose as a pan of soot, but he is none too smart, he'd gotten away to someplace where he could not likely be found, and he is found...now that is dumb. Perhaps it is like rd says, he is looking for notority, well it is said that one should be careful what they wish for, because notority he will get. John Ramsey will likely make every legal maneuver possible that he does not profit from her Murder....we can only hope.

Most likely too he will be murdered in prison, he is a feind if he is truely responsible for what he says he has done. Also, it is scary how many others he has likely hurt, to assume that he has not hurt others would be a leap of reality...

Tomorrow will probably bring yet another chapter to this mystery...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:50 pm    Post subject: Psychic Pic answer Reply with quote

Kate:

Over the weekend I will search around on the net for the pic that the psychic drew and see if I can come up with a link. Also, I can check Joe's website. I should be able to copy it in by that time if it is available.

I saw it on the television late last night so I don't know if it is print. It was freaky, as you said.

Also, saw a tidbit on the ransom note today. Many strange things in this mystery yet DNA will shed light on all this, plus if this man was even in the area at the time.
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