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Jennifer Kesse, 24, missing from Orlando
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Chandra Levy's case there was a Salvadoran national who stalked women on jogging trails in the evening, he attacked two of them with a knife to the throat.

He also broke into his neighbor's apartment and was caught in the act by the neighbor stealing from her jewelry box in the bedroom.

I normally would not argue against a similar situation in Jennifer's case, given the suspect's size. The Salvadoran also attacked women taller than him.

However, the timing and circumstances of Jennifer's disappearance make a stalking attack all but impossible. Given that:

covers pulled up on the bed and some outfilts laying on the bed indicates she got up normally

no call to her boyfriend and no answer when he called her indicates her normal routine didn't last long

her purse, cell phone, and her brother's friend's cell phone are gone. possible the phones were in her purse and her purse was snatched along with her, but unlikely everything that made it look like she left normally is that way because it was stolen when she disappeared

she had just returned from a long weekend vacation - that someone would wait for her return for days and break in her apartment within hours after she got back early in the morning precisely as she is getting ready for work but before she could call her boyfriend, a call that always took place early because he called when he didn't hear from her, is, if not so improbable as to be impossible, then next to impossible.

It seems unlikely to me to be a stalker or someone familiar with Jennifer. I think it was a crime of opportunity. It might have been someone who was looking for a car to break into when she came out early in the morning. However, it would have to be a quick overpowering attack for there to be no screams, no horn, no evidence marks of a struggle in the car.

Because all indications are she was out of the house early in the morning and probably a routine that was changed by a request to send a cell phone off, I think the attack took place somewhere closer to a place where she could do that, and that the suspect doesn't live close by, or knew of her beforehand.

I think he probably drove the car back to rob Jennifer's apartment but saw activity there and kept going down the road and parked the car close to her condo, not close to where he lived. He then could have walked some distance to where he felt safe to take a bus, if indeed he lived out of walking distance.

As sad as it is to say, he probably just put Jennifer and her purse in a dumpster and then drove the car back to her address based on her drivers license, driving on when seeing some activity around the condo.

The police must think it's an accomplice who parked Jennifer's car, given a report that a police spokesperson said "Now is the time to distance yourself from the person who is responsible", according to WESH. They may think the person parking Jennifer's car is a female accomplice based on the person's size.

But that would seem to indicate they were parking Jennifer's car back closer to her condo, and then leaving together. As with everything else in Jennifer's disappearance, that also seems unlikely.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The address given where Jennifer's car was parked is Americana and Texas. I checked the map and my suspicions are confirmed. It is a long haul from the Mosaic, but it gets you to Texas, the first major North-South street (but not highway), a road I suspect has a bus line running on it.

I'm pretty sure the purpose of where it was parked was to get to a bus line headed north or south from the east-west Conroy-Americana.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I looked at Google Maps at the locations of Jennifer's condo and where her car was parked by the suspect. There is a large parkway running between them, 423. It may not have an overpass for Conroy, but it's big enough to be called a Parkway.

I also see in Orlando Sentinel's blog by John Cutter posted back then of a map from a forensic specialist. It confirms what I suspected, that the suspect likely lives up or down Texas Ave., which quite frankly is a haul from Jennifer's condo, looking at the map. Crossing 423 alone would be a nightmare if there is no overpass, and of course walking across either way mid-day while police are headed to Jennifer's condo is extremely conspicuous.

It is clear to me he drove the car to Texas Ave. where he could take a bus either north or south. 423 would be too busy for bus service, it looks like.

The forensic specialist's map shows the same thing with Jennifer's condo and where her car was parked in circles and triangles of red, and the area where the suspect would be predicted to live a large triangle over Texas Ave. on either side of Conroy-Americana.

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Orlando police have said two things that have been summarized together at times:

one, Jennifer was not the last person drive her car, and

two, from Nany Grace on CNN:

SGT. RICHARD RING, ORLANDO POLICE DEPARTMENT: Right now, we are not trying to say that the person of interest is anybody more than may have been in that area of the complex when that vehicle was dropped off. That person of interest may have seen somebody get out of Ms. Kesse`s car at the time that this occurred. And that person of interest, we need to talk to them.

We treated Ms. Kesse`s vehicle as it was a crime scene. It is the one link that we have or the last link that we have between Ms. Kesse -- and we believe that she was in or near that vehicle during the time of her abduction.

end quote

I haven't followed Jennifer's case as closely as some others, but unless something else was given, the speculation concerning DNA or fingerprints found is to attempt to explain how the police know she was in or near her car at the time of abduction.

That implies to me not necessarily forensic evidence of the abductor, but more probably forensic evidence of Jennifer's consistent with a struggle found near an entrance to the car.

The abduction could have taken place anywhere, however, not just in her parking lot.

The seat pushed back, unless it was stated it was pushed back, and it would not be consistent with an approximately 5'4" driver, possibly was an attempt to explain how the police knew that Jennifer was not the last person driving her car.

We now know that the police knew that from video surveillance.

Concerning the height, that is a common height for Hispanics. It is also common for construction teams on apartment/condo complexes to be mostly Hispanic, and it is my personal experience that a rash of break ins in a Florida complex occurred during a construction engagement in a Florida gated complex community.

However, I do not think it was the construction crew, I think it was someone taking advantage of their presence to get into a gated community easier (the gates were left open more often) and not be as conspicuous, and have the burglaries blamed on construction crew employees.

But I also find the concept of a construction crew member kidnapping a resident ludicrous for several reasons:

one, they are the obvious prime suspects and will be scrutinized, their bonding jeapordized, their employment jeapordized, all for what, seeing a tall, young, white women that one of them must kidnap, take somewhere (?) to rape and murder, all because of seeing her at some point when they were working? Spare me.

two, if they really did have a key, a sexual attack would have been in her apartment

three, construction crews do not live near the complex they are working on. And if they're working, they don't go on joy rides with a resident and show up at noon with the resident missing. See one above.

The police say they believe she was attempting to drop a package off sometime between 10 pm and 8 am, the package containing a cell phone she was asked to overnight to her brother's friend.

They don't saw why they believe there was a package versus just saying she was attempting to send the cell phone with an overnight service.

They don't say where her cell phone pinging signals were recorded, if any, when it is known that she did not make an expected call to her boyfriend that morning, nor answered his call when he didn't hear from her.

They say they believe she was attempting to drop the package off, and the logical way to suspect that is from her cell phone signals. Yet if they had that they would have her last locations.

If the cell phone was not on, it is difficult to believe that they think she drove somewhere without it on.

Yet it was either not on or not charged and working properly, or they are withholding her last location based on cell phone pinging, which may be what they are basing their attempt to drop a package off statement on, or the phone company was unable to find records of cell phone activity when they should have had the records.

The most logical explanation would be her cell phone was not charged and she couldn't use it that morning, but the question would then be, would she have made a landline call to her boyfriend instead, based on Rob's experience?

It is possible she left early, her cell phone was not charged, and she intended to call from work when she got there, but has that ever happened, based on her co-worker's experience?

The easiest explanation is an attack in the parking lot early in the morning before she could make a phone call to Rob, but the attacker would also have to turn the cell phone off for there not to be any cell phone activity records.

Again, the phone company may unfortunately just not have any and leave yet another gaping hole in this mystery of where Jennifer is.

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel we have two crimes of opportunity here, and only one of them was abducting Jennifer Kesse.

The other, in my opinion, was finding a parked car with keys and purse and driving off in it. That would be the person in the surveillance pictures.

I feel confident that Jennifer would have stopped at the FedEx Kinko's on Orange Blossom near the UCF South campus on her way to work.

Kinko's opens at 6 am. Getting there about 7 am, which is about three to four miles across Americana to Orange Blossom and down Orange Blossom to just above Sand Lake Road and the Florida Mall, would allow her to keep her normal schedule of going to work between 7:30 am and 8 am and calling Rob, perhaps on the way.

I feel Jennifer was possibly abducted like Dru Sjodin in a North Dakota mall parking lot (see Dru Sjodin disappeared after leaving her job at North Dakota). She was overpowered at knife point and dragged into the abductor's car.

Dru was found months later in a rural area on the way from the mall to a town 30 miles away where he lived. But that's a far more rural area than Orlando. I don't expect this abductor to be from out of town, but he may have taken Jennifer out of town to a rural area also.

In my opinion, Jennifer's car would have been left with her purse on the seat, perhaps even the keys still in the car. In a high crime area like Orange Blossom, it would only be a matter of time before someone stole the car with the purse and everything else in it.

I suspect that this is a petty criminal, an illegal, and they probably did get a print from him, and it wouldn't be in any database... yet. Perhaps they'll catch him for something else and the prints will finally match, or perhaps there's too much heat and he fled the country.

He would probably have driven to Jennifer's address to use her car to burglarize her place before she could report the car stolen, but when he saw the gates didn't try to go through them.

I think then that he drove on down to Texas Ave. intersection, knowing very well that the apartment complex was not a busy place, and took the bus down Texas and back over to Orange Blossom. He undoubtedly knows the area well and probably lived somewhere close to where he found Jennifer's car.

The irony is that none of the big ticket items, her car and credit cards, were used or sold. A petty thief would have cleaned out her condo of any valuables he could find, but decided to abandon the car and take her personal items with him.

I feel he took some care to wipe down for prints, and parked so as to not draw attention.

This has simply to do with being done using the car for burglary, in my opinion. I feel he would have loaded it up with any valuables from Jennifer's condo if he could have driven up to it, but once he decides to ditch it, just being careful about being caught.

With the news of Jennifer's disappearance, it would quickly be too risky to even turn her cell phone on, given that it apparently was not active during that time.

I hope I am wrong. This is not a good scenario for Jennifer in that the crime scene would be the abductor's vehicle, not her car, and that even if the guy in the surveillance pictures is found, he would only be able to say where he found the car.

And there really is no chance of finding him. There is only a chance of someone else knowing about this and turning him in for reward money.

As usual, finding Jennifer will help the most, but I don't think the abductor is this guy at all.

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a few clarifications based on some info I saw from Dateline ( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12756094/ ) and Timeshare Owners Blog for Westgate Resorts and Jennifer Kesse (not able to get a good current link on my computer).

I have referred several times to the bed covers being pulled up showing she got up that morning. This was apparently done by the mother to tidy up at some point early in the investigation???? The parents restored the bed to unmade and other disarray throughout for a walkthrough by Dateline.

There is the damp shower and disarray in the bathroom that indicates a morning shower, and some clothes on the bed, but now there is less indication to me that Jennifer was there in her condo that morning. Probably, just based on saying she was in bed at 10 pm when talking to her boyfriend on the phone, but covers pulled up made a lot of difference to me as far as getting up in the morning.

The phone situation is also murkier. When Rob didn't hear from Jennifer, he called her at work. There is no indication the cell phone was ever on that morning. Would Jennifer normally turn the cell phone on to drive to work?

Certainly I would think she would have it on to drive around late at night. But yet the police are saying that her going out after 10 pm to look into getting the package off is a possibility. Did she normally charge it at night with it on? Why wouldn't there be phone company records of activity unless it was turned off all night and never turned on again?

Also, she had gone to work that day, so unless someone can say they saw her after work somewhere, the last people to have seen her were at work. However she talked to family members as well as Rob from home that evening.

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I posted a blowup of the person of interest, now suspect, in Jennifer Kesse's case. I believe it is a woman with her hair tied up in a bun. Take a look at the back of the head. You can see the hair tufts.

Blowup of Jennifer Kesse person of interest

Theoretically it could be a man with long hair in a bun, but my guess this is a woman wearing man's shoes that are too large for her on purpose.

Where was she leaving tracks she wanted investigators to believe was a man leaving them?

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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could be a woman, profile looks like one but not sure if it's a bun. I thought the person's ht. was noted to be of short stature. I think it could be a man with a cap on with long hair.

Also, if some of the DNA has been identified, wouldn't LE know if we are looking for a man or woman?

I don't buy into the possibility someone would be wearing larger shoes. It would mean this was not a spur of the moment crime and the person had stalked and followed Jenn ( for quite sometime) and had made the plans in advance. They would also look like a fool wearing larger shoes walking in public. I can't wrap myself around that idea RD as hard as I try. I know false clues are always planted but then this whole crime was planned out.
The shoes being too large would draw attention to the POI. I know in serial murders this would be a possibility but I don't feel it in this case.

I wish they would release more information so one could tell more. Do we know the type of shoes the POI had on, or have any guesses?

Somehow, a woman abducting and killing Jenn makes me think this crime would be of a personal nature.
Did you once state you believed it could have been a small, Hispanic man?

Please let me know more information as released or your opinions.

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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the official estimate of the suspect is given as between 5'3" and 5'5". I was just saying that that's not a rare height for many Hispanic men. It was concerning whether it was a male or female.

They certainly could tell gender by DNA. That's why I'm sure they don't have any DNA. Maybe a print, but no DNA. For that matter, DNA has been able to be lifted from a fingerprint now, so it's not inaccurate for LE to say both, even if the print was not substantial enough to get DNA from it. So I think that was a bit of a bluff from them.

I don't know about the larger shoes looking foolish. The alternative is they are real. Do the large shoes look less foolish because the feet really are that big? They are what they are, real or false. The person is definitely walking along ok in them.

The hair looks so clearly like a woman's bun to me that it was astounding. But I would think women would recognize it better, and so far I think I'm the only one that sees it that way.

The shoes look clearly oversized to me in proportion to the rest. This looks like a person in disguise, or at least to look like a man from a distance and from footprints.

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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about the shoes? They look so big to me in proportion to the rest of the body that it looks like someone would stand out, so to speak, if ever seen about the Mosaic. If the person is big, and that white in front of the next gap in the gate is his gut proceeding him, then he is a big guy and the shoes wouldn't necessarily stand out.

But if 5'4", there can't be too many people like that with feet that big.

I had looked at the white in the next gap trying to see if it was a big gut, an arm swinging forward, or a pullover hanging over breasts and gut. But definitely a lot of white proceeding the suspect.

It would be helpful I think to get the clothes and coloring that would match this picture. The dark police uniforms also looked light with this camera, so they aren't sure what color clothes were worn.

How hard is it to find out what colors of clothes, skin, and hair end up this way with this camera? I mean, that is just fundamentals, and they say, oh never mind, just concentrate on the style and haircut. Holy cow.

If clothes turn light, what else changes? Are the shoes and hair dark but shirts and pants only of the person turn light, such as the dark police uniforms? Why? It's not like a negative, but why doesn't the hair and shoes turn light along with clothes?

And why would it be ignored by investigators as if they couldn't have run some tests? Which they need to do anyway to reconfirm the height.

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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mentioned this in the other thread, but will repeat it here - in the blown-up photo, it looks like a bicycle helmet on the person's head. I guess the shoe does look big, now that you mention it, Goz.
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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, thanks for that picture of a cycling helmet, jane. I see how it fits the profile in the picture of the suspect.

I still think it distinctly looks like a woman's hair pulled up in a bun, but some others on websleuths think that it is a cyclist and that the shoes are biking shoes.

More likely than a woman with her hair pulled up and wearing men's shoes, but this is a person who just parked the car of a missing woman in a way that shows this is a criminal who doesn't want to get caught.

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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe a bike messenger?

Good job on the helmet Jane and Also Rd, wasn't implying you stated it was the man but good thoughts on the Hispanic man, it would fit too. Will be studying the pic more. Very interesting case as they all are and sad too. Thanks for all the updates.


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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I can see clearly now. You're right, jane. I posted a closer shot of the head and the profile is clearly that of a cycling helmet.

That and the shoes which would now be cycling shoes make this a cyclist. Messenger? Good question, goz.

And guess what. Jennifer needed to send a cell phone overnight that day. Is there a messnger service connection here?

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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Problem is, a call to a messenger service wouldn't bring a cyclist to the Mosaic. But could a messenger have been hanging around the Fedex Kinko's down Orange Blossom by the UCF South campus? That's the closest FedEx to Jennifer.

Solves my problem of what someone is doing abducting Jennifer at 7 in the morning there.

I added a picture of a bike messenger from a company that services Orlando.

Note the white jersey.

There's a lot of white in the front of the suspect in the next space ahead in the fence. It starts about shoulder height down.

If there may be independent confirmation from another video that he's in good shape and it's not a gut, then what is it? Seems like too much to be an arm. Seems like disproportionate compared to head.

I'll see next if the other picture, the one before this one, from a different angle reveals anything different about him.

Concerning DNA, given that DNA can now be lifted from a fingerprint sometimes, it's technically accurate to say that along with a print, but if they had DNA they would know gender. They don't have DNA, let's be real.

We know someone parked Jennifer's car looking the way they do. What could explain this observed behavior?

For example, going to work after getting up early and kidnapping and murdering Jennifer would not be one of them, in my opinion.

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