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30 year old Georgia teacher Tara Grinstead missing
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad the maps helped, skipper and goz! I just saw Nancy Grace's first segment tonight on Tara. Also Sue Anne Ray and Leslie Adams, both same deal with the ex. It never fails.

Nancy is laying into the the local police, asking if and why they called off the search and hearing from Tara's sister and brother-in-law about how they are having to go talk to people themselves and finding out no police have talked to for example Tara's teacher and classmates in her Tifton night class. Nancy is asking a lot of questions, more than the police as you can imagine.

Again, I can only think that Nancy's approach at asking if the search has been called off is a ploy. As we posted here and commented, the police said a week into it that they would be finished in a week, and they were. When you know in advance when you will be done, that's not calling it off, that's calling it in advance.

Nancy raised the phone calls and the married cop, and the sister said the families were very close. She says she pays no attention to the tabloids and blogs (like this site, for example). She is just focused on finding her sister. Certainly if anything helpful were to come to light they would find out from a call to the tipline, not reading somewhere in a tabloid or blog.

Concerning the phone calls, that's only info from National Enquirer, and I showed earlier the similarity to the same situation in Chandra's case. It could very well be a recycled Chandra tabloid article with the name changed as far as I can tell, the stuff is that close. There was no confirmation from Tara's sister that she knew of any such calls at all.

Here's what I think about Tara and any emotional problems. First, the details of the timing and nature of any such problems would be a critical clue. How was this distress displayed? What was it about? What was said? Who was it said to? What kind of setting was it in? When? How often? When last, and what kind of pattern?

Someone else who saw this besides the boyfriend and describing it would be critical in my opinion. Until then, his description of her being suicidal stands alone, and it is most unbelievable.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:07 pm    Post subject: transcripts from N. Grace Reply with quote

Rd and all: I thought these might be of some help. I found them earlier, I do not know if they have been updated but they are useful for those not familiar with the case. Wish I was in FL for the holiday....but, I'm awaiting a ride to go 2 hours away. Yahoooooooooooooooooo! Happy Gobbling all.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0511/23/ng.01.html

NANCY GRACE

Nancy Grace for November 23, 2005, CNNHN

Aired November 23, 2005 - 20:00 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, we desperately need your help. As so many head home for Thanksgiving, we know that there will be empty places as families gather together. Help us find three women, all three in the prime of their lives, all three disappeared without a trace. School teacher, former beauty queen Tara Grinstead now missing a full month after going to a beauty pageant. As Thanksgiving approaches, police call off the search for Tara. Leslie Adams, a gorgeous hairstylist missing since last month, now with a connection to the Natalee Holloway`s case. And Sueann Ray missing, her car found in a mall parking lot full of people.
Good evening, everybody. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us tonight. Tonight, as we all look forward to Thanksgiving with friends and our families, we want to bring home three young women absent from their family tables. Sueann Ray disappeared into thin air, her little girl waiting for her to pick her up. Leslie Adams vanished last month under suspicious circumstances. And now the chief PI in the Natalee Holloway case on the Adams case.

But first tonight, to the Tara Grinstead case -- high school teacher, beauty queen, vanished after attending a pageant.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s tough knowing that someone in your family is missing. You see all the stuff on the news about other people missing, and then it`s really strange just to see someone of your own family`s gone missing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Let`s go straight out to the reporter with "The Macon Telegraph, Tim Sturrock. Tim, bring us up to date, friend.

TIM STURROCK, "MACON TELEGRAPH": Well, Nancy, they stopped the search -- authorities stopped searching about two weeks ago. That was the time when they were searching every day with probably 50, 60 public safety officials. There have been some civilian searches since then, but not on the same scale. And this week, they began a search -- a group of equestrians from, I believe it`s Texas, they searched in Aruba -- they`re in town. They`re in the county. They`re looking at some of the same places, seeing if anything was missed.

GRACE: I want to straight out to Anita Gattis. This is Tara`s sister. Why have police called off the formal search?

ANITA GATTIS, SISTER OF TARA GRINSTEAD: When they started the formal search, they had very specific grid lines that they were following that Homeland Security set up. When they completed that phase of the search, it was just ended, it was not called off. Civilians searched for the past two weeks, and now Equusearch from Texas are here, and they`re not just here with horses, as Tim said, they are here with airplanes and helicopters.

GRACE: Well, are you telling me police have not called of the search, Anita?

ANITA GATTIS: Equusearch was brought in by the Irwin County sheriff`s department and not by the Oscilla (ph) police.

GRACE: So Tim Sturrock, why you telling me the police have called off the search?

STURROCK: I never said that they called off the search. I said they stopped -- they ended a land search (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: OK. All right. You say ending the search is not the same as calling off the search. Please explain to me the difference, Tim Sturrock.

STURROCK: Well, they had a -- they had certain parameters. They were going to search the entire county, and then -- and now that they`ve stopped searching the county -- they`re going to search if they have any more tips. At this point, they don`t know where she is. And they`ve already searched a certain area of land. There are still civilian searches, but...

GRACE: OK, let me ask you a question. Yes, no, Tim. Are authorities searching for Tara today?

STURROCK: No.

GRACE: OK. Thank you.

STURROCK: There are searches...

GRACE: There are search what? Go ahead.

STURROCK: There are searches. They`re still investigating. They`re still looking for her, but they`re not scouring the county as they were before.

GRACE: Take a listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TARA GRINSTEAD, PAGEANT CONTESTANT: A senior at (INAUDIBLE) Southwestern State University. My platform promotes recycling. Preserve the future, recycle the past. I am Tara Grinstead.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ANITA GATTIS: She had already gotten her master`s degree in history. She had gotten a specialist degree in administration, and she was about to start her doctoral program to get a Ph.D. in history and administration. That`s how driven and determined that she was. So that should tell everyone she did not just drop off the face of the earth.

GRACE: There is no way that this girl just disappeared into thin air without telling her sister. They were in touch by e-mail. They talked on the phone.

Very quickly, to Jane Velez-Mitchell, investigative reporter. Tell me this -- oh, what a beauty! And just as beautiful on the inside as the out. Jane, tell me the circumstances surrounding her disappearance -- very unusual.

JANE-VELEZ-MITCHELL, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: It is so unusual. This is really a total, total mystery. What happened is on October 22, she had a very busy day. Predictably, characteristically, she started out by helping people. She helped these contestants in this Sweet Potato beauty contest with their hair and make-up. And then later that day, she went to a cookout with some friends, and she watched a football game. She was last seen at about 11:00 PM, and she apparently went home.

Now, when police -- a couple of days later, when didn`t show up for school at her high school, where she was a very popular teacher, and police went into her home, they found her car was unlocked, something she would never do, her friends say. Her cell phone was there, plugged in, something her friends say she would never leave without her cell phone. Her pocketbook was missing.

But there was no clear sign of a struggle. What there was was a broken lamp in her bedroom, which was very odd because this was a very neat, meticulous woman, and her alarm clock was under her bed. So people are very worried.

One of the very interesting things -- they found a latex glove outside her home, which they are testing, apparently, for DNA and fingerprints. But it is a total mystery. Usually, in cases like this, they have some leads, they have some potential suspects. But nothing here, really.

GRACE: To Vito Colucci, private investigator. Vito, in this case, wouldn`t you take a long, hard look at who she was with last? She was at a party that evening. I think they were watching a football game. It was the school superintendent and his wife`s home. There were a lot of people there.

On the other hand, Vito, she also, according to her sister, who is with us tonight, everyone, Anita and Larry Gattis -- she was going to school at night, Vito. I don`t know if you knew that. She was going to classes three or four nights a week. And Vito, from where she lives, she would travel to Valdosta, Georgia, to Waycross, Georgia. That is on interstate, alone, at night, in the car. I mean, there`s so many ways to go, Vito!

VITO COLUCCI, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: Yes. You know, there`s some troubling things on this, Nancy. There`s a lot of troubling things. You know, this is a town of only 3,000 people. I don`t know their background. We talked about, Is the search going on? I don`t even know if the investigation is going on or what they`re involved in. There can`t be a lot of crime going on in this town, OK? They missed a necklace that was on the floor of her house. They did several searches, and they found it on the third or fourth search. I know that GBI, the Georgia Bureau, was involved in this for a little while, but I`m a little concerned about what they`re actually doing on this case, Nancy.

GRACE: Anita, tell me, what are they doing? I`m getting conflicting reports between you and Tim Sturrock.

ANITA GATTIS: Well, Tim has not been down here in a couple of days. But at least every other day, I talk with a member of the Irwin County sheriff`s department, either Deputy Pauk (ph) or Deputy Morgan (ph). And they are actively working with Equusearch at this time.

As far as the GBI goes, I mean, we have not a clue. I`ve not talked with anyone from GBI in approximately, three weeks, nor has anyone else in my family. We`re told they are continuing the investigation, but they have not let us know anything they have found or where they are headed with this search.

GRACE: Anita, do you know if they dusted Tara`s home for fingerprints?

ANITA GATTIS: Yes, they did, her home and her car. And of course, we have not been given the results of any of that.

GRACE: And Anita, do you know if they tested around the doors on the outside of the home?

ANITA GATTIS: Yes, they did. They fingerprinted the doorknobs.

GRACE: What about the dogs? Have they given up on the dog search? Is that over with?

ANITA GATTIS: The search dogs and the cadaver dogs that here with the Homeland Security left about two weeks ago. Now, I`m not sure if Equusearch will have a dog team in. We`ve had a private dog team from Atlanta that contacted us and said they would be happy to come down any weekend and help with the civilian searches.

GRACE: Well, wouldn`t it be great to have them in sooner than later, before all the scent is dead, Anita?

ANITA GATTIS: Absolutely. I certainly agree.

GRACE: Well, what are they doing this weekend?

ANITA GATTIS: This weekend, I got an e-mail from a group at Robbins (ph) Air Force Base that wants to come down and help with civilian searches. Equusearch will still be here. With it being Thanksgiving, I`m not sure if the dog team from Atlanta will be available, but there will be civilian searching. Absolutely.

GRACE: You know, Vito Colucci, I don`t understand the holdup here, why the dog team hasn`t come down. And let me get this straight, Anita. Isn`t Equusearch a private search team?

COLUCCI: Yes, they are. They were contacted by the Irwin County sheriff`s department. They have been in Aruba on the Natalee Holloway case


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:11 pm    Post subject: page 2-end Reply with quote

GRACE: That`s right. They sure have.

I want to go back to Renee. Renee Rockwell is with us. She`s handled so many missing people, homicide cases. Renee, the fact that this town is only 3,000 people, that is very significant.

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, it`s not very big, but you to understand that they did a search in the county. The county is 358 square miles. Resources, resources.

I`ll tell you one thing, even though they may have called off the search or are just waiting for private individuals to come forward, they have raised $90,000 for a reward. And that is significant because you never know when a girlfriend gets mad at a potential suspect, or somebody that may have been involved, even years can go by and somebody will make a phone call and say, Hey, go to this spot, you may find this girl, and here`s who you need to look at. So $90,000 is a lot of money.

GRACE: That`s right, everybody. The reward up to $90,000. Tip line, 912-386-2564.

Take a listen to what one of the neighbors had to say.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

Could you tell whether she was at home in the evenings or not by looking at her house?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nancy, we couldn`t see her car from our house. It was under the carport. But her signal to us that she was home safely was her bedroom light, a little lamp light by her bedside table. She would turn it on, and that was kind of a signal to my wife that she was home and safe. My wife would go to that window several times until she saw that light and knew that Tara was home safely.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Back to Anita Gattis. Anita, you told me about a long-term relationship she had for about six years that had been broken off, all right? You told me about a young student that had been bamming on her door, in love with her. Also now there are rumors flying that a married cop may have been interested in Tara Grinstead. Truth or false?

ANITA GATTIS: She was friends with a police officer. We`ve been friends with his family for years. His dad was best man in my wedding. They went to high school together. As far as I know, they were just really good friends.

GRACE: Is he married?

ANITA GATTIS: Yes, he is.

GRACE: So is it your belief, Anita, that tabloids and others are taking the truth and twisting it for salacious reasons?

ANITA GATTIS: Well, you know how that story goes. And yes, I really try to stay away from tabloids. I`m so focused on finding my sister. I really don`t care, you know, to read all the garbage in the tabloids or on any of the blog sites. I just stay away from that. I`ve got to stay focused on finding Tara.

GRACE: Everybody, as many of us head into the Thanksgiving holiday with family and friends, Tara Grinstead will be missing from the Thanksgiving table. Please help us bring her home.

Very quickly, to "Trial Tracking." Eighteen-year-old Iowa girl Tracy Dyess (ph) sentenced to 45 years behind bars after pleading guilty to five felonies. Dyess admits she torched her home so her stepfather, Brian Dyess (ph), would never molest her again. But instead, her 13-year-old little sister, Jessica (ph), 6-year-old cousin, Caleb (ph), died in that blaze. With the plea bargain, Dyess avoids life behind bars, no parole.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHERIFF DONNIE YOUGHN, IRWIN COUNTY: We`re still -- we`re following up on calls we get and stuff. We`re not leaving anything unattended, no matter how small. We`re still checking out everything that anybody calls in for us.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: According to the sheriff, they have followed up all leads in the case of Tara Grinstead, a missing beauty queen.

But I want to straight out to her brother-in-law, Larry Gattis. Larry, is it true police not questioned the people in her study groups at her schools?

LARRY GATTIS, TARA GRINSTEAD`S BROTHER-IN-LAW: That`s right, Nancy. I thought it might be helpful to find something out about things she did when she was outside of Oscilla, especially in class, and places she liked to go and some of her friends. So I made a trip there Monday night to Tifton (ph), at Abraham Baldwin College, where she had a class with Dr. Ronnie Green (ph).

And I had called him and spoke with him and the other professors earlier, and they invited me to the class and I went there Monday night. They were all really receptive, and I found to my surprise that they hadn`t talked to any law enforcement at all, the professors or the students.

So they sort of turned the class over to me, and we had a roundtable discussion about Tara. And they had a lot of questions and I had questions, and I found out some restaurants that she liked to go to and whether she went right home from the class. And I was asking about maybe any other friends she had met in the town of Tifton. And I did get some interesting leads. I really can`t go into details on those or give any names, but we`ll be following those up.

GRACE: Well, Anita Gattis, why haven`t the cops done that? This is their job, not your husband`s.

ANITA GATTIS: Well, I know. He`s a medical doctor, not a detective, but he has become very good at this. We have no idea why they have not done this, and it is very, very frustrating, especially when you hear them say, We have no tips, no clues, no leads. But there are so many things they have not checked out. It seems like they`ve got a lot of extra spare time on their hands that they could be using to benefit in the efforts to find my sister.

GRACE: We are reaching out tonight to the local police there in Oscilla. Please help us find Tara. Her family not in the position to be the police. The sheriff has stated they`re following up every lead. Well, I`ve got news for you, Sheriff. Don`t mean to ruffle your feathers, but she was going to school on two different campuses. None of those people have been spoken to by police. Why, Sheriff?

And we invite you cordially to come onto the show and explain to us why your investigation -- let me be blunt -- is lacking tonight. I bet all the police are going to be going home to their family tonight for Thanksgiving, but not Tara Grinstead.

To Vito Colucci. This does not sound good.

COLUCCI: Not good at all. There`s no reason -- this lady has a big circle of friends and contacts. You got a laundry list of possible suspects or persons of interest. To say that nobody at that college has been talked to after one month is ridiculous. You know, the family may have to go out and get a private detective. They have it on these other two cases we`re talking about today. The town, they`re probably going to say the manpower, they only have so many hours, whatever. That`s no excuse, Nancy. They have to talk to everyone connected.

GRACE: Do you know how many nights I was out tromping through housing projects, delivering subpoenas, when -- law enforcement has to make time for it!

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End of edit transcript from N.Grace on Tara Grinstead.
GG)

Quick break, everyone. Very quickly, to "Trial Tracking." The Georgia supreme court rules that a Palm Beach, Florida, multi-millionaire, James Vincent "Jim" Sullivan, will stand trial again for murdering his estranged wife, Sullivan charged with hiring a hit man, who traveled to his wife, Lita Sullivan`s, Atlanta home the day of the divorce settlement -- at least, supposed divorce settlement -- carrying a dozen roses and a .9- millimeter weapon, the federal murder case against Sullivan thrown out in 1992.

(left here for update on murder case of long standing interest)

GG)


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the welcome, everyone.

Just a couple of comments. About the dog, laskipper. I've never been around her, but I know that since Tara has been gone lots of people have been going by and talking to and petting the dog. From what I hear, the dog is pretty friendly. Having said that, I also know that an otherwise perfectly friendly dog will attack someone if he thinks his owner is being threatened, so it's really hard to say whether or not Dolly would have attacked anyone.

I have some serious problems with the latest Nancy Grace interview. I'd only seen NG once or twice before Tara's disappearance, but she appears to me to be quite the drama queen.

From the Grace transcript:

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GRACE: Well, are you telling me police have not called of the search, Anita?
GRACE: So Tim Sturrock, why you telling me the police have called off the search?
GRACE: OK. All right. You say ending the search is not the same as calling off the search. Please explain to me the difference, Tim Sturrock.


Here's the thing about the search that Ms. Grace doesn't seem to understand. The entire county has been searched. It has been searched from the ground and from the air, with dogs, on foot, on horseback--very thoroughly. Like Anita mentioned, LE used a grid to assign search areas. I saw the map they used at the command center, and they had taken survey maps and taped them together to make one huge map that was so big they had to put several of the 6-foot banquet tables together to hold it all. They used that map to mark off their grid, and each day, search teams were assigned specific areas to search based on that grid. All 358 square miles of Irwin County have been searched, except for the bodies of water, and like I mentioned before, that would be almost impossible considering the number of ponds, lakes, swamps, etc. here in addition to the Alapaha River.

Now that the entire county has been searched, our local LE simply don't have the jurisdiction to go into other counties and start searching. That DOES NOT mean that no one is searching. That just means that our local LE have completed their official search. Private citizens and groups like Equisearch (sp) are still searching! Searches are being done in other counties, just not by our LE. People are still looking for Tara!


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GRACE: To Vito Colucci, private investigator. Vito, in this case, wouldn`t you take a long, hard look at who she was with last? She was at a party that evening. I think they were watching a football game. It was the school superintendent and his wife`s home. There were a lot of people there.


Several problems here. First, it wasn't a "party". It was basically a group of friends getting together for a cookout and a football game. It was not at the school superintendent's house. It was at a former superintendent's house. There weren't a lot of people there...just a few couples. Everyone there has been interviewed by LE. Ms. Grace is not the only media personality who has gotten the facts of that night wrong and dramatized it. That smacks of irresponsible reporting, IMO.

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GRACE: So is it your belief, Anita, that tabloids and others are taking the truth and twisting it for salacious reasons?


My belief too! In the NE article, MH's attorney was quoted several times. I happened to run into his wife at the grocery store earlier this week, and she told me her husband told that reporter numerous times that he had no comments, yet still he is "quoted". I also know that certain individuals have taken money for their "information", and that the same reporter spoke to others without identifying himself as a reporter. Again, irresponsible reporting. I haven't read the article because I don't read trash, but I wouldn't put any stock into its accuracy.

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GRACE: I want to go back to Renee. Renee Rockwell is with us. She`s handled so many missing people, homicide cases. Renee, the fact that this town is only 3,000 people, that is very significant.


This is another twisting of the facts. Yes, there are just over 3,000 people in the city limits of Ocilla. But there are 10,000 people in Irwin County. BIG difference.

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GRACE: We are reaching out tonight to the local police there in Oscilla. Please help us find Tara. Her family not in the position to be the police. The sheriff has stated they`re following up every lead. Well, I`ve got news for you, Sheriff. Don`t mean to ruffle your feathers, but she was going to school on two different campuses. None of those people have been spoken to by police. Why, Sheriff?


Well, maybe because this case was turned over to the GBI early on. Why isn't anyone asking the GBI this question?

There were the same types of errors in almost everything I have seen on TV or read in the news since this whole thing started. It's also sad but true that there are those--some right here in Ocilla--who are running their big mouths to gain their 15 minutes of fame when they have no idea what they're talking about.

The thing to keep in mind here, is to take everything you hear with a grain of salt--even what you hear from the media!

Thanks again for the welcome. I'll try to check back often.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drama queen she is, that's for sure. What Nancy brings to the coverage of Tara is her successful experience prosecuting cases in Atlanta. She undoubtedly used some of that drama to win convictions. She cares, and she was all over the GBI for all three cases of missing women in Georgia she covered that night.

The 3,000 population figure they used seemed low to me too. I used 7,000 in my posts, not sure where I got it, but looking up the population of Ocilla of 3,000 and using it is I guess something that was easy to do even if it's not realistic. I think one of the guests was the one who brought that figure up and used it to make some point concerning this being a big crime in a small town.

The National Enquirer is just about making up stuff for easy money. I have never seen anything useful in their fantasy articles or used any of it. It is so bad that I wrote an analysis in chapter The Newport in Murder on a Horse Trail of one of their larger articles on Chandra that showed just how farcical it was.

But made up stories sells. They're laughing all the way to the bank. And I will say this for them. If they didn't make up stories about Chandra and keep her case in the public eye occasionally then no one would. So they are sometimes useful fools.

With Nancy's prosecuting years in Atlanta, it has to be especially galling to have three women just disappear in Georgia, nowhere to be found, and no one to prosecute. A woman becomes inconvenient, just make her disappear. What a racket.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's just really sad that so many people snap the gossip rags off the shelves as soon as they are published. They're only laughing all the way to the bank because people are buying their trash!

I agree with you, however, that the good thing about the media is that they're keeping Tara in everyone's minds. I just wish they'd be more responsible about what they report.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome longcoolgirl, happy to have you aboard, missing persons deserve all the help that they can get. You are so right on about people sucking up and digesting the rot that is printed in the rag mags. It is terrible how innacurate and irresponsible some the media are, so little seems to be done in researching data before it goes to print, and those that own the rag mags are only concerned with making money.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:21 am    Post subject: tabloids and more..... Reply with quote

Most people who read tabloids know them for what they are - meaningless, mindless entertainment. Anything that prints an article about about a woman who has just given birth to an alien baby or some other garbage like that, can't be taken seriously by anyone with even a marginal IQ. Intelligent people who get themselves in a dither about tabloid articles are wasting good energy on what is a given.

Longcoolwoman... you seem to have appointed yourself speaker of your town and with some pointed remarks about your compadres. I am familiar with you. It has been my experience that the ones who cry the loudest about injustice are themselves with much to hide. I do hope that is not the case here but I fear otherwise.

The search for Tara has been fraught with frustration mostly because the search thus far has been fruitless. If luck had drawn the search teams to find her early on, all would be praised, but that was not the case here. Out of this frustration, many have taken the focus away from the actual search by spreading pointed gossip about immaterial things... this bend on tabloids being a fine example. Ahhhh but we are human, aren't we?

Those involved should put aside their pettiness and finger pointing and get to work finding this woman. She deserves better than she is getting on many levels. There will be plenty of time for criticism later when the work is done.

You can flower your words easily here to sound as if you care but the proof of that caring, when you are in proximity to help, is to help. Nothing more and nothing less. Spouting off rhetoric on the web does not help when your hands lie idle toward the true effort. No matter what your opinions are the only right thing to do is to help. This is not about the tabloids or the accusations toward innocent people or the personality conflicts that rear their ugly heads, it is about a woman, just one of too many women, who are not where they should be. Safe and at home.

I retire my soap box now for I must spend my time where it is most needed, in search for Tara.

Thank you all who do not live in proximity for your time and attention in offering perspective and informational resources that could assist those that are. We do take heed.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome, seekeroftruth. That's what this site is for, to seek the truth, so you are aptly named indeed.

I can only imagine the tense feelings in a small town when one of its most beloved own disappears almost surely at the hand of another of its own. And I hope to continue to have to only imagine it. :)

For sure everyone here who has written about Tara agrees with you about the tabloids. And while I probably would have blamed the watery terrain around Ocilla for the difficulty in finding her, there is unfortunately Sue Ann Ray north of Atlanta and Leslie Adams east of Atlanta who also can't be found, in entirely different terrains. And on and on elsewhere, a woman who has become inconvenient made to disappear.

It surely takes a lot of work. Two relatively recent missing women, Lori Hacking in Salt Lake City and Monica Lozada in New York City, were only found after extensive digs in landfills. Literally disposed of as trash, and who knows how many more we can't find also thrown away with no amount of work able to find them. So yes, those volunteers from the area and coming in from all around to help are something special.

It's also a plus for those trying to help from afar to have any misconceptions put to bed where they belong when it comes to a victim such as Tara. There are almost always disagreements in judgement, we have them here all the time, but like I wrote in a previous post, questions must also be answered.

I hope this forum is of some help to those hoping against hope for Tara, seeker.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rd,

Thank you. The support from people outside of the area has been mazing and in many cases, humbling. There really are so many people in the world who have a loving heart and a willingness to share it. It's too bad that it has brought out the worst in some too. I guess it is inevitable though.

We continue to pray that we will find her. Thank you for continuing to care. It's been and continues to be a rough road.

seeker
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:31 pm    Post subject: Re: tabloids and more..... Reply with quote

Hello to you too, seeker. Any particular reason for the venom?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would hope that my post here was interpreted with the emotions that were the basis for it .. fatigue, fearfulness for Tara, sadness and wonder at the state of the situation. I hate that you misinterpreted it that way. There is no time for venom.

I won't make a habit of posting or replying - there is little time for it - but I felt it right to answer your inquiry and clear up your misunderstanding.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, but I don't think I misunderstood. Your post was very clear.

I do understand about the emotions you are feeling, because I feel the same way. What I don't understand is the hate I see being spewed on a daily basis on some of these message boards, and I think you know the ones of which I speak. It might be different if someone could explain to me how some of those discussions are helping find Tara, but no one has of yet been able to do this. The only thing I am seeing is that those who disagree with the gods of the board are banned and/or dismissed as crazy or suspicious. It's a shame, really. Tara is the one who is paying for this in the end. She doesn't deserve any of it.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LCW - I can't help you if you refuse to hear my words for what they are. You will have to resolve that within yourself. I won't debate my own words with you. This is not about you.

On a more constructive note - to RD - it seems from reviewing this site and others like it that there is a common thread in most if not all cases of missing women. A lack of defined information in many cases, an inability to determine the who, what, where and how. The search often times is called inadequate as is the investigation. Do you think that there is a way to help fine tune the approach to help eliminate some of those issues in the future? There must be something that could be done to help in some way. There have been so many pieces of legislature passed to help aide in the handling and prevention of missing persons cases - the Amber Alert, Megan's Law, etc. Is there more that could be done? Are there current efforts in the works? Or are we just dealing with a bad situation with no real solutions? Surely not.

Rd - you are right in that it seems that many of these women are missing because they have become inconvienant to someone. I had not considered it in that way before and it is a startling thought.

What can be done? Really?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is indeed a startling thought, seeker, and we can only imagine how startling it was to the women as men who had been the love of their lives took those lives from them. Startling, but surely with a final unwanted clarity.

There is one overriding thing we can do about this, and not just for these victims but for all victims.

We need as a country to keep law enforcement from being totally overwhelmed when a woman disappears or for that matter any serious crime with having to try and find and investigate basically every person with a violent criminal past who could have conceivably been in the area of the crime.

We need to eliminate defense lawyers from saying everyone is innocent because so many could be guilty. We need to let these criminals know that we know where they are and what they're doing, and that they can no longer take with impunity anyone's innocence and happiness and their very life simply because they are evil and want to.

All felons on probation, which includes sex offenders for life, people on trial with the potential to intimidate witnesses, and people with restraining orders with a history of violence would wear GPS recording devices and report to a police station periodically to get the data uploaded from their device. Reporting periodically is something most of them are supposed to be doing anyway.

The locations would be transmitted to a regional law enforcement computer and compared to the locations and time ranges of all reported crimes and be available for further such queries at any time.

This does a remarkable thing. It gives an alibi to every suspect in the area for every crime. Imagine the change this would make to investigations. Police would actually be able to focus on those they should be focused on when a woman disappears, but instead are overwhelmed with the sheer numbers of predators that lurk, waiting for their next victim.

They could lurk anonymously no more. Imagine the change this would make to them. And us.

rd


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