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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 12:55 pm    Post subject: Arrest "Imminent" in Murder of Two Girls in Illino Reply with quote

From Fox News and the net

The Chicago Tribune is reporting that an arrest is imminent in the murders of Krystal Tobias and Laura Hobbs whose bodies were found in a remote park area in Zion, Illinois.

It had already been reported on Fox that the bodies were discovered by the Father and Grandfather of one of the girls and that they had died as a result of stab wounds to the neck.

I'm thinking that the description "stab wounds to the neck" indicates a smaller person, possibly a classmate of the girls. I don't think its the Father or Grandfather even though that does remind me of the Jonbenet Ramsay case.

As usual, I'll probably be wrong ...

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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a feeling that it is a family member, but I hope I'm wrong.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

foxnews has just broadcast an interview with the state's attorney for zion, who has arrested jerry hobbs and charged him with two counts of first degree murder.


nanci

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Father of one IL victim was released from prison last month

ZION, Ill. (AP) - Police still aren't saying much about their probe into the stabbing deaths of two young girls in Illinois.

But the grandfather of one of the girls says police are still talking to his son-in-law -- the girl's father.

Jerry Hobbs is the father of eight-year-old Laura Hobbs, who was killed along with her best friend and second-grade classmate.

Authorities in Texas say Hobbs was released from prison less than a month ago. He was serving time for arguing with his daughter's mother in 2001. At the time, he grabbed a chainsaw and chased some nearby residents.

Hobbs had just arrived in Illinois last month to reunite with his family.

His father-in-law says Hobbs is the one who spotted the two bodies in the woods.

But the grandfather says he doesn't think Hobbs killed the children.


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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just out of prison with a violent rap sheet a mile long. Now people are already saying prove he did it. No DNA, he's innocent.

It's time to monitor these violent ex-cons. Their behavior is changed when they're tracked. Now they think they can get away with it, either roaming randomly or faking a random murder. Just like in Chandra's murder.

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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I almost feel like agreeing with you RD after this horrible incident. But what about the other people who were around this family? Didn't they see how out-of-control he was? The guy chased after a neighbor with a chainsaw for God's sake. Where was the wife when this happened.

I'm thinking about the Amish Communities down in Lancaster, Pa. When a neighbor goes "wrong" the entire community intervenes. I'd like to know the stats on the crime rates in Amish communities. I don't think they even have enough to create a "rate". On the other hand I don't know if that's a great way to live your life. I guess that criminal terrorism is the price we pay for freedom.

My guess is that most of us here on this forum grew up in the fifties and sixties. What the heck has happened to America since those seemingly golden days? I think the drugs and easy immigration are a big part of the problem but there's something else that needs to be looked at. The school systems and television and movies and video games and popular culture in general have devolved into the worst common denominator. Why do we stand back and allow it? I'm getting ready to start a family and am thinking seriously about home schooling and blowing up the tv set and moving to the countryside.

And if I ever saw a character like Jerry Hobbs coming back to the neighborhood from jail I'd think about forming a community watch group to make sure he was sent back to where he belongs before he kills someone. But, who am I to decide who we should watch? Its quite confusing. I'm sure that if I saw him acting up in person I'd do something but what if it was only a rumor? I don't know if your ankle monitor would have stopped this crime but maybe it would have made him think about it. Looks like he tried to cover it up by going back to the scene and discovering the body so he was rational enough to fear punishment. Maybe the ankle bracelet would have saved those kids' lives.

Maybe the ankle bracelets should be clamped onto all violent felons and not just sex predators.

My point is - Do we have the responsibility to protect our own communities or do we hand that responsibility over to faceless and unaccountable bureaucrats in the government. Its a real hard choice!

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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My point is - Do we have the responsibility to protect our own communities or do we hand that responsibility over to faceless and unaccountable bureaucrats in the government. Its a real hard choice!


I am getting so that from my own perspective, 78 years old, I can see that no individual, or group of people, have complete authority over our earth, or what is going to happen to us. So no one is able to stop all of the bad things that are going on at the present time, even if they were really trying.

I like the idea of home schooling, or Christian schools. I learned to read at home before I started school, but that was only because I did not want to start school. I finally had to start school. I mentioned Christian schools, which would be my choice, but I can see no great harm in other private schools, maybe a Buddhist school, or other types of private schools, unless they taught Nazism or something similar. There are some people who teach those bad things also, demonism, etc.

Someone gave me a bible verse that mentions this kind of concept in general terms. "Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good."

We are never going to be able to stop all of the horrible things that happen on this earth, and death reaches all of us eventually anyway. So what are we to do? Here is one New Testament verse that sums up some of this.

"MATTHEW 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

We may not believe in a heaven or a hell, but we do have to believe that we won't be on this earth forever, and what is our future when we leave this earth? A Muslim warrior, killed in battle, goes straight to Paradise, or at least that is what Muhammad said that an angel told him. I don't think life is that simple for most of us, and that is what we have to figure out. We can figure out all kinds of ways to live as safely and as long as possible, but eventually we have to realize that we are not going to be here forever anyway. That is what has to be considered.

So many things could be blamed for the lawlessness taking place today, but the TV came along in the 50s, when James said that things were good, and TV is not innocent. I don't have a TV at the present time, and my apartment is fairly quiet, much quieter than when I was watching the beer can ads; but my apartment being quieter is not going to make the world any quieter. The Devil is everywhere, and we must resist him, however we can. The Devil is a liar, and the biggest lie he tells is that he does not exist.

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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi James and all,

What a sad story about those sweet little girls. Looking at the picture of Jerry Hobbs, he looks like a very disturbed person. A halfway house may have been the answer for him. Anger management?

Glad to hear that you are getting ready to start a family-kids are the most rewarding experience in this life.

The community watch is a good idea. My son lives in a neighborhood that is turning. The houses are older and what was once an area that boasted pride in homeownership has taken a turn.

A few months ago, everyone on the street received notice that a sex offender (child offender) had moved into one of the 2 family houses on the street. This is the second or third such person that has moved into the neighborhood in the past few years. The cops took the last one away after a strange event.


What happened with the last 'offender' was that a woman who has taken it upon herself to police the neighborhood jumped the gun and made it obvious that she was watching the man. In turn (retaliation?), he started behaviors that bordered criminal. One evening, after a daylong child's birthday party, the kids were playing in the front yard. Noise was coming from the second story where the offender lived. Turned out that he was playing a porno video at top volume. It was obvious from the sounds according to my son.

The "neighborhood watch" woman called the cops and the guy was taken out in handcuffs. I have no idea what he was charged with but rumors in the neighborhood are that evidence was found in the house by cops. Maybe the video was part of the evidence?

I know that these people have to live somewhere but what is odd is that this street runs parallel to a main street where there is an elementary school-a stone's throw away from the house where the child sex offenders keep turning up. The authorities are aware of that situation because they send the notices when a new offender moves in. Evidently, some level of government oversees where the offenders move and approve or deny the move.

Reminds me of the border problem with the illegals. Citizens had to take that matter into their own hands as well.

As to country living, I've lived in a semi-country area for 35 years. Raised my kids here. There are pros and cons. I have some cons living next door right now. lol

Some people move to a rural or semi-rural area in order to get away with things that would be spotted quickly in the city.

My daughter and I discuss moving a little further south to an Amish/Mennonite community. Life would be a tad boring but certainly safer. Thing is, what do you do for a job? Commuting would be out of the question with the price of gas.

My daughter home schooled her kids for years. Both are very bright and my granddaughter, who opted to go back to public school, has been on the President's honor roll for the past 4 or 5 years. Problem is with socializing. Home-schooled kids don't 'fit' with the kids in public schools. At least not easily. Both kids had painful adjustment problems when going back to the system.

You could not imagine what you see in these schools. I've been to the high school a lot the past year for another grandchild and was shocked. The dress, the behaviors- and this is an upper middle class area- not a slum.

Teachers don't get paid enough to deal with what I witnessed.

I sure don't know the answers.

Seems to me as though the schools reflect the world problems on a smaller scale.

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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fallout wrote:
I'm thinking about the Amish Communities down in Lancaster, Pa. When a neighbor goes "wrong" the entire community intervenes. I'd like to know the stats on the crime rates in Amish communities. I don't think they even have enough to create a "rate". On the other hand I don't know if that's a great way to live your life. I guess that criminal terrorism is the price we pay for freedom.


The Amish have had their share of atrocities, but probably because they don't talk to the media, it doesn't get out there. There's been incest arrests, assault arrests, drug dealing arrests, homicides, rape arrests, puppy mills that were shut down for animal cruelty, and 'every day' crime arrests.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What the heck has happened to America since those seemingly golden days?


What has happened?

Accountability is almost unheard of these days. If your child is acting up, it's never a lack of discipline, but some new 'disorder.' Funny kids could sit still in school 30 years ago when they new they'd get whacked across the hand. (No offense to anyone here)

On the flip side, there is still a stigmatism to people with addictions and mental illness, and most of it is denied in society because we all want to have the 'perfect life.'

Psychotrophic drugs are adminstered for 'conduct disorders' without any real background information on the person. For instance, I know a dozen people who have walked into a doctor's office and walked out with a prescription for ssri's without the doctor contacting anyone who knows the person, watching the person for a period of time before administered drugs, etc.

25 years ago you didn't dare live with someone you weren't married to.

Divorce is high. Then again, when people married in 1950, life expectancy was about high 50s.

Having good character is not important anymore to most parents - it's about your child getting the best grades, being the most popular, and having the nicest things.

50 years ago your neighbor would crack your butt if you acted up. Now adays if you yell at a neighbor's kid they are ready to sue you.

It's all about money these days. I live in an expensive neighborhood and people practically trip themselves up to outdo their neighorbors.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Newspaper news does not seem to change much. I saw this story in today's Sacramento Bee.

http://www.sacbee.com/24hour/nation/story/2387041p-10642256c.html

AP Photo/Union Tribune, John Gastaldo
Sheriff: Calif. deaths were murder-suicide
By BEN FOX, Associated Press Writer
Last Updated 10:57 am PDT Wednesday, May 11, 2005
GARNER VALLEY, Calif. (AP) - The sheriff confirmed Wednesday that the deaths of six family members in a remote ranch home were a murder-suicide carried out by a district attorney's investigator, who killed his mother, wife, three children and himself with his service weapon.(snip)<<<

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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, some good questions, that's for sure. Some things hit on the head. These people lived in a quiet rural area, just where one would hope to escape this evil. But a guy coming out of prison for the umpteenth time is the trouble you are trying to escape.

Yes, he went back and faked finding his daughter, with his father with him. How somebody stabs two girls over and over with blood spurting everywhere and then somehow cleaning up from that and walking around "looking" for their dead victims says all we want to know about people like this. They are sociopaths, and they need monitored.

They need kept on a short leash until they live out a probation without getting in more trouble. And guess what? If we knew what these sociopaths were doing, it wouldn't be long before they're back in prison where they belong.

I keep hearing on tv that we can't afford to jail these people. I say we can't afford not to. Build a lot of cheap cages in the desert. There's plenty of room, won't cost much. There's no excuse for the excuses.

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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

>>> I'm getting ready to start a family <<<


omg, james, that's wonderful news ... what a marvelous leadership role model you will be as the head of your family!! i applaud you for recognizing the value of home schooling your children ... it breaks my heart to say it, but you just won't find a public school offering what you and i consider to be 'a good education.' the reasons for that would fill not just a book but a library, and none of them make a particle of difference at the bottom line ... if you want your children to learn in keeping with your own standards for achievement, you will need to teach them yourself or find a private school that teaches from a perspective that meets your standards.

do keep in mind, too, that there is no school on earth that will be able to enlighten your children the way you can, just by sharing with them your personal experiences at the plaza and in your delightfully fascinating youth. the comments shared by several folks here are all exactly right about the fact that we're watching our towns and cities, our nation, and our whole world change, and not necessarily in ways that improve the human condition in any meaningful way. as a result, we cannot trust anything as important as the education of our children to anyone outside our own family circle, and that is a desperately sad change to our world, indeed.


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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MM - I hadn't heard those stories about the Amish. Still think the percentage is pretty low there though. They have that tradition of allowing the children to live outside the community when they turn 18 and that might be part of it. Animal abuse would be a shock. Thanks.

Thanks Nanci, We're looking for an Apt. now. Hoboken seems nice and has an old-fashioned town feeling that I haven't seen in a long time. And yet its only 11 minutes from Manhattan by the PATH train.

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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benn and RD,

I think I read something about Hobbs and the California investigator both having a history of using prescribed anti-depressant medication.

The drug manufacturers have begun adding a disclaimer on the box since the Columbine shootings that using Xanax and some of the others might lead to thoughts of 'suicide'.

I took a "tranquilizer" for about a week in the early 1980's and felt like a zombie. I can see how the wrong mix could screw up a person's normal social and survival instincts. Not to excuse the killers but the psychiatrists who are prescribing these drugs should be extremely careful when they get the smallest hint of a violent background in the patient.

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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James, that ties in with your comments aboout schools. When I was a kid children were welll behaved or else they were boarded and their parents told to straighten them up. I know because I was incorrigible and boarded by nearly every teacher in my junior high (while also being in the honors class those years).

At no point was anything but bad behavior blamed for my actions. People were more sensible then than to ascribe behavior to medical conditions to eb treated with psychologically altering drugs.

That goes double for anyone with a rap sheet like these creeps we keep writing about here after another innocent victim disappears.

It appears to me that a culture of it's not their fault, let's psychologically lobototize them to inhibit their worst impulses has established itself among those who must deal with large groups of people. Not only does this remove responsibility from people for their own actions, but it seems to me to be a largely ineffective panacea paid for by the taxpayer.

People who violently assault others need to be removed and isolated. The sooner they learn this the sooner they learn that their actions have consequences, and they alone are responsible for those consequences.

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