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Things that Paul LaCalsi needs to check for Dunne Defense
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blondie



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:19 pm    Post subject: Things that Paul LaCalsi needs to check for Dunne Defense Reply with quote

I'll start.

The article written by John LeBoutlier(sp) Why didn't he sue for that - seems far more damaging than what Dominic said.

I have never been 100% that the body that was found was Chandra since no DNA was done. After all, Jonathen Arden took the skull with him in his car to the ME office. That should NEVER occur because of chain of custody in any crime. And then 2 years later he was fired because the office being in such disarray.

The articles that he didn't sue for in the Enquirer and Globe and Star. He was very selective in what he sued for by listing them one by one.

Anyone else?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ask if he ever had sex with Jennifer Thomas.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, blondie. Definitely questions the Dunne defense should look into.

Also, where was Condit Tuesday afternoon when Chandra disappeared? Why did Dayton drive him home only that day, and why did he try to hide it by lying to the police about instead meeting with a reporter until the reporter found out and blew the whistle?

Did Dayton in fact even drive him home, or was Dayton lying to coverup for his boss? Dayton was a highly paid staffer dependent on Condit keeping his office to keep his highly paid job.

When did Carolyn Condit RSVP the First Lady's Luncheon? When did she book reservations to fly to Washington? Was it before or after a mysterious five minute call from her home to Condit's apartment in Washington when he wasn't there?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Things that Paul LaCalsi needs to check for Dunne Defens Reply with quote

blondie wrote:

I have never been 100% that the body that was found was Chandra since no DNA was done. After all, Jonathen Arden took the skull with him in his car to the ME office. That should NEVER occur because of chain of custody in any crime. And then 2 years later he was fired because the office being in such disarray.




Why was there no DNA done?? Even if there was no tissue left, can't they DNA test bone marrow? But it seems I remember that there was some hair found or hair still attached to the skull? I just don't understand why the Levys did not demand a DNA test. I mean, it was probably Chandra, since Chandra's belongings were found scattered in the area, but I had NO idea there was not a DNA test.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LaCalsi needs to call other girlfriends and Mike Dayton.

Vince Flamini knows ALOT and should be deposed ASAP!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leigh - dental records were used to ID the remains. When the 3 experts who volunteered to help the Levys had a cursory look at the remains, they noted marks on the teeth which they wanted to run tests on, along with other closer work and testing. However, they never got the opportunity to do so.

It was announced in July 2002 (if I remember correctly) that the remains were being returned to the family. Then the 3 experts (Wecht, Lee, and I forget - another famous guy) volunteered their services and had a cursory look. Then the remains were not returned to the family after all. They finally got them much later, but all indications are that the experts never had the chance to do the detailed examination/testing they wanted to do.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blondie wrote:
LaCalsi needs to call other girlfriends and Mike Dayton.

Vince Flamini knows ALOT and should be deposed ASAP!!!!!!



Agreed!!

And thanks, Jane....I had forgotten that they used dental records. DUH. I really need to brush up on this case.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But the same person who wouldn't let the experts examine Chandra's remains, Arden, is the same one who id'ed the body with dental records, records that had been provided by the Levys.

The experts should have been provided the dental records by the Levys and done an independent identification, along with the microscopic tests they wanted to do.

For that matter, they should have been invited to the crime scene immediately to assist and check for DNA. They were, after all, the most noted forensic pathologists in the world, volunteering their services.

But that would be acting like they wanted to investigate Chandra's murder, and we can't have that, can we?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

other questions that need answers ...

what was condit doing in luray?

where was darrell in the 48 hours before and after chandra's disappearance?

was darrell driving a white van at that time, and who owned that van?

why did darrell return to work in florida with a limp?

was darrell definitely in the dc area around the time of chandra's death, and where did he stay if he was?


i remember a thread a lot like this that we started a long, looonnnnng time ago ... we came up with a helluva lot of questions that needed answers then, and they still need answers now. maybe the most important question of all is 'why is it so obviously difficult to get answers to these questions?'.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We need to ask questions that go to just the Dunne case, not the criminal aspect.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, propria is right, there is a long list of questions, but the biggest is why they don't get answered.

What is relevant to Dunne's stories is probably going to be argued by the lawyers for quite some time. A strict interpretation would have questions limited to those concerning Mideast arab sheiks and motorcycle gangs. A broader basis for the stories being reasonable should be allowed to be established, and where that broader line is will be argued.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the line of questioning that might have the most effect on the trial would be for Dunne's attorneys to just try and impeach Condit.

I can remember back to the O.J. Simpson trial when O.J.'s attorneys impeached Furhman. The attorney who did most, or all, of the questioning--I can't remember his name--had been tried not too long before on a drunk driving charge in San Francisco. Johnny Cochran was his attorney, and San Francisco lost the case. At the O.J. trial no one seemed to be aware of, or know, that the attorney who impeached Fuhrman had been tried himself on drunk driving charges.

One incident that comes to my mind in the Condit saga is where somewhere Anne Marie Smith related how Condit had given her a phone number to call in case he died while he was in a hotel room with her, or became seriously ill.

Maybe Anne Marie still has that phone number. Wherever the report came from the number was supposed to be that of a Condit staff member. That staff member, if he or she can be found, is a witness for or against what Condit said, or did not say, to Anne Marie Smith about what to do if he died while in a hotel room with her.

Condit can either tell the court what Anne Smith told about the mysterious phone number to someone on his staff was a lie, or Condit can say that there was such a phone number. Either way Condit testifies against himself, and there is at least one member of his former staff who knows about that phone number.

I forget what the report was that said that Anne Marie had told about the mysterious phone number. The report is probably right on the site here.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That report was in NE, benn, but the woman was not Anne Marie. It was another earlier mistress, I believe before Condit was a congressman, and the phone number would have been a California number.

Still, there's nothing stopping Dunne's attorneys from asking for all the cooperation they can get. Whether she can provide useful info to ask Condit about is something they could find out. I don't know. The fact that he didn't provide this information to Ann Marie over a decade later whom he saw in both Washington and San Francisco negates it somewhat.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello rd, I found the article. At the very least the details that the article gives could be examined to find out if what the article says is true or not. I am getting so that I do not like grand juries much anymore. An open preliminary hearing might be much better than a secret grand jury meeting, controlled by political forces, starting with the DA in charge of the grand jury.

>>>> National Enquirer
8-30-01

Condit's Plan to Get Rid of Body

A former mistress of Gary Condit has come forward with a bombshell
revelation: The California congressman had a secret "fix-it" team to
dispose of a dead body!

And now ex-mistress Susie Borges Rossi is going to tell all to the FBI,
shedding new light on the dissapearance of Chandra Levy.

Susie told the Enquirer that Condit had a step by step operation in
place to remove and hide his own corpse if he were to die while having
sex with her in a hotel room, so that when the body was eventually found
elsewhere, the sordid details of his death would never be discovered.

Condit had a paid operative whose job it was to removed and hide his
body-- or his lover's-- in case of catastrophe.

Susie's shocking revelations are extremely revelant to the FBI because
if Condit had a plan in place to dispose of a body, he could easily have
had his fix-it team dispose of Chandra's body-- Permanently

"If he knows how to get rid of his own body, clearly he knows how to get
rid of Chandra's body," said Susie, who had a three year affair with
Condit that ended in 1991, and kept in contact with him until 1995.

"I have no doubt that he made Chandra dissapear"

The FBI has contacted several of Susie's relatives in an attempt to
interview her about Condit, and as The Enquirere's investigative team
found her she revealed that she will now come forward and speak to the
FBI, despite being scared of Condit and his associates

But she may also find herself appearing before ad grand jury, because
The Enquirer has learned that a federal grand jury is set to look into
Condit's role in the Chandra case and subpoenas are being readied for
important witnesses.

An FBI source told the Enquirer: "A number of Condit's aides, associates
and former girlfriends can be expected to testify. This witness
uncovered by The Enquirer Susie Borges Rossi, could provide critical
information before a grand jury. The investigators have compiled a list
of 33 women who have beeen 'associated' with Condit."

Susie told the Enquirer ina an exclusive interview: "On our first date,
Gary slipped me his government issued business card. On the back was the
number of a woman I was to call if Gary died while we were together."

Even though Susie found Gary's instructions bizarre and scary, she will
never forget his words as he revealed his shadowy world.

"Gary told me this woman I was supposed to call, who was a member of his
staff at the time, would know exactly which documents in his office to
destroy and how to get rid of his body.

"He gave me a set of instructions to follow. First, he said: "DOn't
phone anyone from the hotel room. Take some money out of my wallet,
leave me where I lay, call a cab, and go to a pay phone far away.

" 'Then call the woman at that private phone number. She will know how
to handle the press and what to do with my body before the police or
press find out about me'

"His exact words to me were: 'THis is a pirviate line for emergencies
only. Don't call the police, the paramedics, 911, no one. Just call this
woman. She's the one to call before anyone knows I'm dead. She'll take
care of phoning people and take care of my body. You don't do anything.
Just get away. Fast.'

I had to swear to him that I wouldn't call for an ambulance or get help
in any way. He'd rather lie there dying than get caught by police or the
press with his pants down!

"Gary also made me swear that I'd never tell a soul about us.

"He said he picked me as a alover because I had a public position in the
community, and leaks of our affair could hurt my career as much as it
would hurt his," said Susie, whose high profile in Modesto, Calif.,
includied sitting on the baord of local charities and volunteering for
the republican party.

"He said to me: 'I need to have that leverage over you to make sure you
won't tell. If people know about us, it would ruin you as w ell, because
people would know you've been having an affair with a married man.'

But what really frightened me about Gary was his plan to dispose of a
body.

"I'm scared. The guy is powerful. If Chandra could dissapear, I know I
could dissapear. I don't know where all of this is going to end up.

"He had such an elaborate game plan to cover his tracks years ago. It's
even more insidious now."

While being intimate with the congressman for three years, Susie saw
things that haunt her today as she thinks about Chandra's puzzling
disapearance.

Gary's got friends in very high places and friends in low places," Susie
told The Enquirer. "THey all owe him favors and would certainly help him
get rid of Chandra. "And I wouldn't doubt he'd do something like that if
she was starting to threaten his career.

"This is a guy who was convinced he was going to be President one day.
HE's so driven to be a star that I could easily see how he'd dispose of
anything or anyone getting in his way.

"He can woo you and try to get you to fall in love with him, but then
turn on you in a heartbeat. He's a Jekyll and Hyde character.

"Given everything I know about Gary, He definitely has the capacity to
turn on somebody-- and if he wants then gone, he has the capacity for
that too.

"I'm concerned about what his reaction might be after he sees that I've
come forward." Susie, who's divorced with two children, provided details
about Condit that only those intimate with the congressman could know,
and The Enquirer verified those details with sources close to Condit.

Susise said her affair with Condit began when he spotter her at a
fundraiser while he was a California state assemblyman in 1988.

THe politician had one of his staff members approach Susie to arrange "a
meeting."

"I thought Gary wanted to give me a job. I told his staffer that I was a
die-hard Republican and that Gary's a democrat, but he said Gary needed
to meet with me."

But when she found herself alone with Condit for the first time, Susie
instantly got a glimpse of his dark side.

"Our first meeting was eerie. We went to dinner and he laid out on the
table a whole background check he had done on me and my ex-husband. He
said he knew everything about me. That frightened me. "But then he
turned on the charm and said he wanted to date me."

Susise said she ignored her misgivings and became romantically involved
with Condit.

"We started having a fling after our third date. That's when he broke
the news to me that he was married.

"But he was very attentive and treated me to long weekends in San
Francisco, Sacramento, San Jose and Los Angeles.

"It didn't take long for me to realize that Gary was really into sex.
I'm convinced he's a full-blown sex addict.

"Gary got off on the fact that no one knew this kinky side of him. He
felt completely untouchable. He'd always say that if he was confronted
about his extramarital sex life, he'd just deny it.

"He'd say, 'No one would believe them anyway. My dad is a preacher and
my brother is a policeman. I"m the perfect guy. I'm going to run for
President one day and no one is going to ruin that. ' His favorite kick
was to invite me over to his government offices in Modesto and
Sacramento in the middle of the day and have sex with me right on the
conference room table-- with his secretary within earshot on the other
side of the door.

"His staff all knew he was cheating on his wife with me.

"He also loved having sex in the car while he was driving!"

Susie disclosed that even back then, Condit was into kinky sex -- which
investigators believe could have led to accidental tragedy with Chandra
if taken to the extreme.

"One night while were staying at the Le Baron Hotel in San Jose, he
said, 'I've got a surprise for you.'

"He started feeding me very fancy Godiva chocolates. Then he brought out
a "couple's kit' that he bought from a sex shop.

"It contained a pair of handcuffs that were lined on the inside so they
wouldn't hurt. He said, 'Here, let's try these out. It will be fun.'

"He took my scarf off and blindfolded me, tying the scarf around my
eyes, and we made love.

"But I didn't really like the submissive thing, so I took off the
blindfold and said, ' O.k., my turn. Let me blindfold you instead.'

"We'd take turns blindfolding each other. He liked that.

"When we did the whole handcuff and blindfold thing, it was soft stuff
-- not the seriosus S&M stuff I've read he's gotten into now.

"We continued seeing each other for a long time because I didn't want
anything from him. I didn't want him to help me with my career, or leave
his wife and marry me. I was fine with just having fun."

While Condit was running around on his wife, he tried to explain her
frequent absences from events by claiming she was mentally ill, Susie
revealed.

"I soon realized that whenever I would bring up the subject of his wife,
Gary's mood would rapidly decline.

"HE told me Carolyn was mentally ill and that's why he couldn't bring
her to public events for fear she'd embarrass him.

"I learned quickly not to ask about her at all.

"OUr affair slowly fizzled out because once Gary was elected to Congress
and was spending more and more time in Washington, I couldn't find the
time myself to fly up there or keep my weekends free while in Modesto.

"I just didn't have time to juggle Gary, my career and my two kids.

"But I worry about Gary. He can get deeply depressed. When we were
together, he would talk to me about his problems with his drug-addicted
brother.

"He said to me: 'It's a real thorn in my side and I sort of wish my
brother didn't exist.'

"Sometimes I think he'd turn on anybody, even his own brother, if he
knew he would hurt his career.

"He won't help Chandra's parents because he's so self-centered and only
out for himself and his career. My heart goes out to the Levy family.

The truth is: Gary has a split personality. He can come off very caring
and folksy, like a real representative of working-class people. But
that's all phony.

He is the most driven, power hungry guy I know. He'll do anythng to
protect his reputation and career.<<<

benn


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

benn - he didn't sue for this one either, so there must be some truth in it. There are alot of quotes from her. Good find.
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