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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

from websleuths.com:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26912

Bluecat wrote:

There was a report on the local NBC news station, channel 4, that an FBI profiler was still investigating the case. I think that the current theory now is that the location of the bones suggested that she was on the trail when the attack started, because of items found a short distance from the trail. He thinks that she was sexually assaulted, and that the leotards, which were inside out and knotted on the end, were used to restrain her. He is still actively pursuing the case.



The FBI Profiler would be Brad Garrett, who has been assigned to the case since summer 2001:

Condit submits to fourth interview
NBC NEWS AND WIRE REPORTS
July 27, 2001

Investigators have interviewed Rep. Gary Condit for a fourth time as part of their investigation of the disappearance of Chandra Levy, police said Friday.

FBI agents Bradley Garrett and Melissa Thomas, a specialist in profiling, posed most of the questions. Two Washington police detectives also attended, asking just a few questions, the source said, speaking only on condition of anonymity.

end quote

However, last I saw about him was that he was retiring in August. And yes, what he has said has indicated he thinks it's a sexual assault, but I will give him benefit of the doubt that he doesn't rule out Chandra being brought to the park by the person who assaulted her, which is my opinion.

The items left next to the path, and not obviously next to it but in some bushes, were her sunglasses. I examine that in chapter Found in Murder on a Horse Trail, link given earlier in thread. The sunglasses were on further inward on a path in the forest rather than closer to the picnic table and horse trail, and in my opinion was thrown there by the person who hid her to make it look like she lost them in a struggle coming out of the forest towards the picnic area, rather than from the picnic area into the forest, which would lend to speculation she was brought to the picnic area by car.

And we couldn't do that could we? Let's have her galavanting around in the middle of a spooky forest, so high up even the vagrants wouldn't climb that mountain.

Oh, by the way, did I mention the picnic area had a place to back up to the horse trail? But you're supposed to unload horses, not bodies.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:28 pm    Post subject: The Air of Secrecy Reply with quote

The inter- and intra- personal relationships of people close to Chandra Levy were alledgedly interwoven with elements of "secrecy". The "air of secrecy" circulates much further than this "smaller circle", though.
As a matter-of-fact, the world-wide media "search" was largely started as a counter-force to the "secrecy" elements of the case. People went on television and talked to tabloids "to protect themselves" by "going public". Attorneys and investigators conducted investigations and came to conclusions, but have "alledgedly" been made to feel they had to "leave it alone". What in the world is going on here?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've added a sidenote to chapter Horse Trail, a post I made from a picnic table near where Chandra was found in Rock Creek Park. I believe the map is from jabarn and the pictures from scr.

Many thanks to them and all the other posts I referred to while posting from Rock Creek Park.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:43 am    Post subject: "Horse" Trail Reply with quote

Surely you all have analyzed this before, but what about the "horse" trail aspect of the geographical area where Chandra's remains were found? Do you think that the person(s) responsible for the murder of Chandra Levy had some affiliation with horses?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely something that has to be considered, Rainbow. What is interesting is that Chandra was found at a crossroads of sorts, a crossroads of Ridge Road with a horse trail running alongside it hidden in the trees, and a cross path of a steep gravel path coming up from Beach Drive not far from where Guandique attacked one of the women, a steep gravel path which when reaches the top of the hill at Ridge Road crosses over from picnic area 17 to picnic area 18 and continues as a "NO HORSES" walking path detour over to Grant Road and then circles back around to join the horse trail near the Nature Center.

So does that mean Chandra's murder involved hiking up the horse trail from Broad Branch Road? hiking up the gravel path from Beach Road? returning from a closed Nature Center around by Grant Road back to the Western Ridge horse trail? Or driving up to picnic area 18 and backing in to the horse unloading drive deep in the trees next to the horse trail?

All have been speculated. But you can see that there is actually more possibilities a horse was not involved even though it was on a horse trail. It is the nature of being at a crossroads that makes for the many possibilities. Had she been on many other portions of the horse trail, one would have to presume she was either riding or hiking.

The horse stables were open that day but she was not seen there, nor any horses rented by a mysterious stranger. In addition, Chandra's family kept two horses which she showed little interest in riding.

The nature of Ridge Road and the horse trail running alongside in the trees, and picnic areas 17 and 18 at the top, are such that a cyclist would have as much knowledge of that area as a horseback rider. Note the terrific description of cycling up Ridge Road to picnic area 17/18 from andrew in chapter Horse Trail.

Condit was also not a horseman, but was an avid cyclist in Rock Creek Park. According to this San Francisco Chronicle profile, it was familiar territory for Condit:

"Condit keeps a bicycle stashed in his office to take off through Rock Creek Park during legislative lulls."
end quote Lochhead, Carolyn. " A Power Broker Comes Of Age. " San Francisco Chronicle 18 Dec.1996.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:38 pm    Post subject: Horse-Trail at a Crossroad Reply with quote

Are there any embassies in close proximity to the "horsetrail"?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the Western Ridge horse trail runs the length of the western edge of Rock Creek Park, starting near Klingle Mansion. There are embassies in close proximity to Klingle Mansion. In chapter Horse Trail I write of taking a wrong turn trying to follow signs for the horse trail, which is also a jogging trail along the creek at that point. I am sure I was downhill behind an embassy or two or three until I stumbled out on Connecticut Avenue.

But there is no embassy near where Chandra was found, a mile away. There is nothing, just a picnic table and a drop off.

As to who could have driven up there and made a drop off, obviously anyone could have. But as to an embassy being involved, just getting to Klingle Mansion, much less the picnic area on a mountain a mile away, is problemental however. I quote James Forrester in chapter Horse Trail writing of making the trek from the metro to Klingle Mansion. It is not a walk that a woman would want to make. Much of it is in the road.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I am looking for a good place to post a message here, after a very long pause.

I have not given up. I believe that the dead always deserve fair consideration, even though they are no longer with us. That is one reason why I prefer funerals where the dead person is shown in the casket.

Burying that way sort of puts up a few barriers against foul play. I sort of have been on a treadmill here in trying to keep up with my daily affairs and read any of this discussion. Oh well, I do still live not too far from Modesto. Maybe somehow I might get over there one of these days. I have never really been to Modesto anyway, so it might be an adventure. If I can find transportation that may happen.

I mentioned Attorney General Jerry Brown of California in one of my long ago messages. I think that was before he was elected. I think I have only seen his name mentioned twice since then. Once in the Sacramento Bee, and once n the Internet when I could not find him anywhere else.

My best intentions for this board now, and all of the good posters here, is that I try to pray for as many people as possible daily, posters, victims, everyone. Saying this sort of makes me feel how little I am really praying, but it does give me incentive to pray more.

We must have Jesus in our hearts, in our hearts, in our hearts, to keep the evil ones away.

Try mentioning Jesus too often and you might find that some of your friends are disappearing, but we can not please everyone, and if we are losing some of those around us, then maybe we are also losing some of those who are mistakenly following Jesus' adversary..

Anyway, I want everyone to go to Heaven when they die, and not to Hell when they die. If we can not pray for everyone we can maybe try.

God Bless, benn
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi benn, nice to see you again. This thread contains lots of your work and comments and efforts on behalf of Chandra and the Levys.

I believe publishing Murder on a Horse Trail on this site was the best thing I could have done for Chandra's case. Lots of people have told me, even recently, that they've read the book and wonder why there is not more of an investigation when there are so many questions to be answered.

I don't know that anyone can do more than the Levys did recently in going to DC and pressing for answers in Chandra's murder. All we can do is lay the facts and questions out there, and inform people of the unanswered questions that need answers.

I do hope you get a chance to make that trip to Modesto, benn.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

from websleuths.com thread on Tara Grinstead:

haypaula wrote: Thus far, I've read up to page 33 of your book, RD, (at a site where some pages are missing). It is well written, yet easy to read, and very engrossing. I like your writing style. Yes, I can relate to what you've been posting here on Tara's board. Even though the cases might be very different in some aspects, they are really very much the same in many others. That sounds like a contradictory statement, but I think you know what I mean.


It's all here on justiceforchandra.com (Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy
has the table of contents and links to all the chapters, for example). Be sure not to miss any of it.

Thanks on the readability comments, HP. I wish we didn't keep seeing wonderful people like Tara disappear under the same circumstances over and over, but we do.

I don't know if men always did this, or did this as frequently before 2001, but since following Chandra's case and then Laci the same pattern of violence to women from men who have deemed them inconvenient is occurring. Maybe I just didn't know about it before.

Anyway, I don't think there was anything anyone could do to anticipate what this guy would do and how Tara's life could have been saved. I think a start is to move large numbers of violent predators into cheap cells in desolate locations while we can start trying to reclaim the safety in our streets and towns and yes, even our homes that we, and I'm sure Tara and her loved ones, used to know.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rd wrote:
from websleuths.com thread on Tara Grinstead:

haypaula wrote: Thus far, I've read up to page 33 of your book, RD, (at a site where some pages are missing). It is well written, yet easy to read, and very engrossing. I like your writing style. Yes, I can relate to what you've been posting here on Tara's board. Even though the cases might be very different in some aspects, they are really very much the same in many others. That sounds like a contradictory statement, but I think you know what I mean.


It's all here on justiceforchandra.com (Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy
has the table of contents and links to all the chapters, for example). Be sure not to miss any of it.

Thanks on the readability comments, HP. I wish we didn't keep seeing wonderful people like Tara disappear under the same circumstances over and over, but we do.

I don't know if men always did this, or did this as frequently before 2001, but since following Chandra's case and then Laci the same pattern of violence to women from men who have deemed them inconvenient is occurring. Maybe I just didn't know about it before.

Anyway, I don't think there was anything anyone could do to anticipate what this guy would do and how Tara's life could have been saved. I think a start is to move large numbers of violent predators into cheap cells in desolate locations while we can start trying to reclaim the safety in our streets and towns and yes, even our homes that we, and I'm sure Tara and her loved ones, used to know.

rd


I tried registering at WS using both of my web addresses and they said sorry but they don't accept those because they can't track the ISP or whatever. I wonder if this is the same HeyPaula I know from another message board. She was very involved in the Tara Grinstead case. If it is hey Hey Paula! :)
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, it's the same one, annalyzer. heypaula is a real asset to the Tara Grinstead case.

We have a sizable thread on Tara's disappearance here, and I'm sure heypaula is quoted in it.

But hey to you too. Welcome annalyzer.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rd wrote:
yeah, it's the same one, annalyzer. heypaula is a real asset to the Tara Grinstead case.

We have a sizable thread on Tara's disappearance here, and I'm sure heypaula is quoted in it.

But hey to you too. Welcome annalyzer.

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Thanks rd. :)
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This in reply to a discussion on strangeforums.us about Chandra's computer:

hi yellowbear,

Glad you found the computer info helpful. This is the info that the hard drive crashed when they were trying to analyze it, "they" probably being one of the private firms that the FBI contracted out such work to.

Police: Missing intern no 'trollop'
July 19, 2001
BY LYNN SWEET
Chicago SUN-TIMES WASHINGTON BUREAU

Police are releasing a list of Web sites Levy visited, with the information hard to retrieve from her laptop because the hard drive crashed, Gainer said. Levy was a frequenter of newspaper Web sites--USA Today, the Los Angeles Times and her hometown Modesto Bee, as well as the Drudge Report, National Geographic, congressional, travel and restaurant sites. Those Web sites do not seem to offer much on the face but may yield some clues from the public, particularly the restaurants.



I don't recall anything ever being said about her computer being returned to her parents. It was more than a year after she was found that her remains were returned for burial, which is unbelievable, and during that time three expert forensic doctors were not allowed to examine her remains with their instruments, despite their efforts being publicized.

The parents would have to mention somewhere in an interview if it was returned, more in less in passing, and that kind of dialogue just hasn't taken place.

As to what constitutes a crash, there are many technical issues and a non-technical police chief relaying what he was told, but in the end the data was read off the drive despite a malfunction. This was given as the reason for the long delay of more than two months after retrieving Chandra's computer from her apartment to analyze it.

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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

from strangeforums.us:

Yellow Bear wrote:
rd-

Thank You so much for dropping by to clarify the
information about the computer crash and also its
current whereabouts.

Your hard work and dedication to this case is to be
greatly admired. Not many people would spend so much
time and energy into searching for answers to solve a
seemingly unsolvable murder for so many years.

The original members of this forum were drawn together
because of Chandra. This forum has gone through many
changes over the last seven years. At one time, there
were reams of pages located here in our own search for
her. Alas forums also crash and all of that information
was lost along the way.

It is quite amazing to me that one woman's life and death
could have touched so many hearts and be responsible for
bringing so many people together.

I wish you my very best in your continued efforts.

BTW- How did you ever happen to find us in our little remote
corner of the information highway?


I keep my antenna on alert to pick up anything about Chandra, Yellow Bear. :)

I remember when your forum started. I don't think I've taken the opportunity to post there before, but I saw your good questions and wanted to add what I could to it.

I guess with all that was lost there and also the other two main sites cl.com and wc.com gone even from the Google archives, a lot has been lost. Many interesting points were posted back in those days, and I drew upon all of them in writing Murder on a Horse Trail.

Just want to point out in case anyone wasn't aware that the link is to one of the chapters, On Her Computer, and the whole book is posted here (see Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy). I hope anyone with an interest and some free time will be able to give it a read. I'll be glad to discuss here if it raises any questions or comments.

And thanks for the compliment. It was posters like you that got me interested enough to research and document her story.

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