www.justiceforchandra.com

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There were some good posts about scenarios involving Chandra's knotted end tights on some of the previous sites, but the posts at those sites didn't get Googled for the most part. I'll post some details on the knotted tights I have found.

rd

from NY Post (fair use)

CHANDRA'S MURDER COULD BE SEX CRIME: D.C. COPS
By NILES LATHEM
New York Post

May 31, 2002 -- WASHINGTON - Police are investigating the possibility
that Chandra Levy was sexually assaulted before she was killed,
law-enforcement sources told The Post last night.

The new line of inquiry was prompted by an examination of Levy's
spandex leggings that were found near her skeletal remains in
Washington's Rock Creek Park last week.

Police sources said the leggings were found inside out and knotted on
both ends of each leg.

Because no bone matter was discovered inside the leggings, police
theorize that they were removed and used to restrain her before she
died.

"If someone wanted to just kill her, they wouldn't have removed the
leggings," said former FBI profiler Cliff Van Zandt.

"The other working theory you could have with this is that they were
pulled off her by someone who wanted to make it look like a sexual
assault," Van Zandt added.

The D.C. Medical Examiner's Office, which ruled earlier this week that
the 24-year old Levy was murdered, has not found any traces of blood
or semen on the former intern's clothing found at the scene, although
the items are being sent to FBI labs for further analysis.

Police sources said the sex crime angle is just one theory being
pursued by detectives seeking to unravel the 13-month long mystery.

Unable to explain why Levy was discovered at such a remote location in
the park, police are also looking into whether someone she knew lured
her there.

Robbery also is being probed as a possible motive because her
cherished gold pinkie ring, a present from her parents, and a bracelet
given to her by Rep. Gary Condit, who has admitted to cops that he had
an affair with Levy, were missing.

Condit, the person closest to Levy during her six-month stay in
Washington, is also likely to be questioned again.

His lawyer, Mark Geragos, said earlier this week his client will fully
co-operate with the cops and may even submit to a lie detector test.

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From: Jane Cactus (jonesiecactus@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: (NY Post) Chandra's murder could be sex crime: D.C. cops
Newsgroups: alt.true-crime
Date: 2002-06-03 18:41:21 PST

According to these cuckoo articles, the legs of the tights were knotted, and "because no bone matter was found in them," the conclusion, the report says, is that Chandra must not have been wearing them at the time they were knotted? The reporters sound goofy when they write some of these articles.

Then the reports goes on to say, if there was no leg-type bone matter in the tights, then the tights must have been used instead to restrain Chandra's arms. Right? Which makes me think there ought to have been fluids or bone matter on the tights from Chandra's wrists/arms, from where she was tied. If they were left on her after she died and her body discarded.

If anything, the tights with knots were probably used to strangle Chandra, the knots helping the killer get leverage. That's what makes the most sense to me right now.

JC



From: Agnes Heep (agnes_heep@att.net)
Subject: Re: (NY Post) Chandra's murder could be sex crime: D.C. cops
Newsgroups: alt.true-crime
Date: 2002-06-03 19:37:18 PST

I couldn't agree more. I think she was surprised from behind, bopped
on the head with enough force to render her unconscious, then hauled
to the site where the body was found, sexually assaulted, perhaps
tortured, then strangled with her tights.



From: Jane Cactus (jonesiecactus@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: (NY Post) Chandra's murder could be sex crime: D.C. cops
Newsgroups: alt.true-crime
Date: 2002-06-04 00:13:04 PST

I still think she must have gone there to meet someone. And I can't help but think it was Condit, cause she didn't take her phone - meaning, to me, she'd already made contact with him and was expecting to meet him. And I don't think he'd hit her from behind necessarily. But he might have gotten angry and strangled her, if he felt pressured.
JC

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Levy Possibly Bound by Leggings
Knotted Garment Sharpens Suspicion of Foul Play
By Sari Horwitz and Allan Lengel
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, May 25, 2002

District police have found a knotted piece of clothing that may have
been used to restrain Chandra Ann Levy, adding a critical piece of
forensic evidence to a case that detectives strongly suspect is a
homicide, law enforcement sources said yesterday.

Levy's stretch leggings, found in Rock Creek Park near her skeletal
remains, were knotted in a way that suggests they might have been used
to tie her up, the sources said.

(snip)

The search has produced some of Levy's clothing, a portable
radio-cassette player and other "fragments" that police declined to
describe. Evidence technicians also have found a pair of sunglasses
believed to be Levy's near a path off Broad Branch Road, and 125 to
150 yards from her remains.

(snip)

The 24-year-old's remains were found by a man who was walking through
the park and noticed his dog sniffing on an incline about 100 yards
northeast of Broad Branch Road. The site is a heavily wooded area of
ridges, gullies and dense underbrush, bounded on the west by Grant
Road and on the east by the Western Ridge Trail, one of the park's
principal hiking and horse trails.

Although the site is within 200 yards or so of one or more paved roads
and some unpaved hiking paths and riding trails, it is not an inviting
spot. It has ridges and gullies that slope downward to the west toward
Grant Road. Fallen trees, low branches and shrubbery make the footing
difficult on the steep inclines. The gullies are covered with thick
piles of fallen leaves.

Police have closed off the site where they are searching, but in the
area adjacent there is little sign of human use – no scraps of paper,
no clothing, just a few beer cans buried in the leaves.

(snip)

In the past 25 years, more than 30 bodies have been discovered in the
park's lush, green forest, including those of business executives,
homeless people, teenagers and college students. Often hailed as a
regional gem, joggers and walkers, lovers and loners, families and
singles have sought momentary refuge there in the park's expansive
1,755 acres, replete with creeks, trails and wildlife.

On occasion, just as with Levy, someone has stumbled upon a body.

The dead have had bullet, knife or self-inflicted wounds. Some have
expired from exposure to the cold. And some bodies have been so badly
decomposed, or the flesh eaten by animals, that the medical examiner
has been unable to arrive at a cause of death.

As in Levy's case, it has not always been clear whether the person
died in the park or was simply dumped there after the fact,
authorities say.

"I would tend to believe the majority of these crimes against people
are not taking place in the park," said Sgt. Scott Fear, a spokesman
for U.S. Park Police, responsible for patrolling the park. "It's more
that people are being brought to the park" afterward.

"Some of the remains have been here for a very long time because of
the enormity and terrain of the park," he said. "But it's a safe park.
The number of violent crimes in this park are very few and far
between."

The discovery of Levy's remains garnered national attention. Other
bodies found there have gotten far less publicity.

There was LaShawn Denise Evans, 16, of Northeast Washington, who was
found shot to death in the park in April 1991. And there was David C.
Cox, 42, author of two books on the nation's military and security
concerns, who was found in late summer 1999 under the Q Street bridge,
a suspected suicide.

In 1985, Paul F. Smith, 62, a top financial officer of the Gethsemane
Baptist Church in Northwest Washington, was found dead in a picnic
grove in the park. A Baptist deacon later confessed to arranging the
killing.

Earlier that year, Jesse James Wolf, 69, of Southeast Washington, was
found frozen to death in a picnic area. The family and police said it
was unclear how he got there.

Over the years, several joggers have been killed in the park.

In 1982, jogger Gail Ornstein, 38, a budget analyst for an engineering
firm, was found slain.

More recently, in January 2001, about four months before Levy
disappeared, Sue Wen Stottmeister, a 48-year-old preschool teacher
from Aspen Hill, was jogging in the park in Montgomery County when she
was dragged into the woods, sexually assaulted and killed.

Last month, a tree crew working near 16th Street and Military Road NW
discovered the severely decomposed body of an unidentified man.

It could not be learned yesterday whether there has been a
determination as to cause of death or if, like Levy, that is still
under investigation.

Staff writers Arthur Santana and Martin Weil and Metro researcher
Bobbye Pratt contributed to this report.

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From: mothra1orbit@hotmail.com (mothra1orbit@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: Levy Possibly Bound by Leggings
Newsgroups: alt.true-crime
Date: 2002-05-26 09:53:01 PST

I'm suspicious of the whole notion "knotted in such a way as to suggest
she might have been bound." I want to see a photo of these leggings, or
tights, or (god help us) "leotard" and just how it was tied. If she
took them off and tied them around her waist (which is my new, revised
notion of where she might have tied them--around the neck would be
mighty hot, I think) the encircling part would be I'd guess something
around 25 inches or less--she was a tiny person, and the material would
stretch, as you say. The cops saying that the knotting *suggested* she
might have been bound says to me that the size of the loop probably is
on the large, waistish, side. A person could make the case that the
larger loop circled her body, holding her arms to her sides, as others
have suggested, or perhaps the tights were wound round and round her
wrists before they were tied. I'm guessing that the tights were not
found wrapped around her wrist-bones, though, because then I think we'd
have had a stronger statement in the leak--"her hands had been bound
together"--and according to one news story, the cops discussing the case
were seen holding their wrists together in front of their bodies. I
can't imagine, given the apparent state of the corpse, that her hand
position was all that clear. I'm suspicious of the whole story about
the binding, in fact.

Martha



From: Pat Fish1 (patfish1@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Levy Possibly Bound by Leggings
Newsgroups: alt.true-crime
Date: 2002-05-26 16:40:35 PST

I am too.

If you're trying to "restrain" someone that they do not escape, would you
really tie their hands in FRONT of their body?

You know what I think? I think those cops are dopey men who have no idea how women knot, tie, bow, and otherwise configure their clothes on various parts of their body.

Pat Fish/Merryland

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From: Patty (earthage2002@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Levy Possibly Bound by Leggings
Newsgroups: alt.true-crime
Date: 2002-05-27 19:44:52 PST

Here's the British interpretation from the Daily Telegraph:


Knotted leotard clue to death of Chandra Levy
By Charles Laurence in New York
(Filed: 26/05/2002)

Chandra Levy, the Washington intern who disappeared following an
affair with a congressman, is believed to have been restrained by a
makeshift rope before she died, police said yesterday.

Clues found at the Washington park where her skeletal remains were
discovered last week included a torn leotard twisted into a rope.

(snip)



From: Patty (earthage2002@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Levy Possibly Bound by Leggings
Newsgroups: alt.true-crime
Date: 2002-05-27 22:56:25 PST

Here's what she wore the day before to the health club:
From the Boston Herald 7/20/01:

Levy, 24, came to the health club in her Dupont Circle neighborhood at
about 7:30 p.m. on April 30, one day before she vanished, the employee
said. She was wearing gray tights and a T-shirt.

(snip)

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Levy's Clothes
Found in Knots
Cops comb park for evidence
By HELEN KENNEDY
New York Daily News Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON

Items of Chandra Levy's clothing were found knotted together,
suggesting she was bound before she died, two Washington TV stations
reported yesterday.

Detectives at the search scene in Rock Creek Park could be seen in a
heated discussion, during which two of them pantomimed wrists being
tied together.

(snip)

The 24-year-old federal intern's bones, jogging outfit and radio
headphones were found Wednesday, scattered on a steep and heavily
forested bank on the western edge of the sprawling park.

Police do not believe she died where she was found, but they don't
know whether she tangled with a maniac nearby, went into the woods
with someone or if her body was dragged there from somewhere else.

Computer Aiding Probe

"We don't know if she was out walking, jogging or there to meet
somebody," said police spokesman Sgt. Joe Gentile.

Cops were using computer technology to map the remains to determine
whether the body was originally at the bottom of the hill or fell from
the ridge.

It is not far from a little-frequented hiking path, the Western Ridge
Trail, which begins near the Klingle Mansion — where police initially
looked for her body — and runs north into Maryland.

The location puzzles investigators. It is about 4 miles from Levy's
apartment, which would involve a lengthy 8-mile run if she went
jogging.

(snip)

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Police Hope Levy's Ring Holds Clues to Her Fate
Officers to Check Pawnshops for Jewelry
By Allan Lengel
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 30, 2002

D.C. police said yesterday that they plan to check pawnshops for
Chandra Levy's missing 14-karate gold pinkie ring and a gold bracelet
she may have been wearing when she was killed.

Levy's parents helped her design the ring, which has two diamond chips
and bears her initials "CL." It was made by a jeweler in Modesto,
Calif., and was given to her as a college graduation present in 1998,
sources said.

The bracelet may have been a gift from Rep. Gary A. Condit (D-Calif.),
who was having an affair with Levy, 24, at the time she vanished,
according to law enforcement sources.

The two items were the only pieces of jewelry missing from Levy's
apartment, law enforcement sources said. "We'll be checking out pawn
records, hoping to catch a break with that," said D.C. Police Chief
Charles H. Ramsey.

Police also did not find her apartment keys in Rock Creek Park, where
her skeletal remains were discovered last week by a man and his dog.

(snip)

Police yesterday continued to search the area in the park where Levy's
remains were found and were focusing on a creek that borders the
western edge of Broad Branch Road, Gainer said.

The items found in the park, which include a University of Southern
California T-shirt, spandex leggings, a jogging bra and Reebok gym
shoes, were expected to be sent by week's end to the FBI laboratory in
Quantico to test for signs of blood, semen and hair fibers, police
said.

Authorities said Levy's clothes were discolored. They hope the FBI can
determine the true color so police can generate a computerized picture
of exactly what she was wearing May 1, 2001, when she disappeared, to
help jog the memories of someone who might have seen her or a
cabdriver who might have driven her to the park that day.

Investigators also are looking into the possibility that Levy was
sexually assaulted. Police found a pair of spandex leggings that had
been knotted at both ends. Law enforcement sources said that each leg
of the pants was knotted and that no bone matter was found in the
pants, indicating that they had been removed before they were tied.

(snip)

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From: IBegg2Differ (ibegg2differ@aol.com)
Subject: Re: More on Chandra's leggings
Newsgroups: alt.true-crime
Date: 2002-05-30 02:13:32 PST

Bone matter or not, how could they *not* have been removed before they were tied? You can't tie both the legs of a pair of leggings while they're being
worn. Of am I missing something?



From: IBegg2Differ (ibegg2differ@aol.com)
Subject: Re: More on Chandra's leggings
Newsgroups: alt.true-crime
Date: 2002-05-31 09:26:20 PST

For those who were asking, I did hear on the news this morning that the
leggings were inside out as well as tied. I wish I could tell you which news I heard it on, but I was busy making breakfast and just happened to hear it waft in from the TV, which was just out of my view. I don't know what channel I had it on, but generally it would be MSNBC or Fox.

How easy is it, do you all think, to pull someone's leggings off without
removing their shoes?



From: Patty (earthage2002@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: More on Chandra's leggings
Newsgroups: alt.true-crime
Date: 2002-05-30 08:01:39 PST

Tom Squitieri, reporter for USA today who covered the Levy
disappearance last year, was on Fox News and mentioned that the tied
leggings could have been used to drag her body after she was dead or
injured to that area. That probably makes more sense than anything
else.

Patty

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KILLER MAY HAVE USED LEOTARD TO TIE UP CHANDRA
By NILES LATHEM
New York Post Correspondent

May 25, 2002 -- WASHINGTON - Police discovered a knotted leotard next
to the remains of Chandra Levy, leading detectives to believe she was
tied up before she died, police sources said yesterday.

The leotard was ripped and knotted and appeared to have been used as a
makeshift rope - most likely to restrain Chandra after she was
accosted, the sources said.

D.C. detectives said they are "95 percent certain" she was tied up
rather than strangled with the leotard.

At a police command center near the site where Chandra's remains were
found in Rock Creek Park in Washington on Wednesday, the detectives
were seen crossing their wrists in front of their bodies yesterday,
suggesting they were discussing how they believe Levy was restrained.

(snip)

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FBI Analysis Detects No DNA In Chandra Levy Clothes From Park
Delay in Finding Body Blamed for Lack of Forensic Evidence

By Allan Lengel
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, August 15, 2002

An FBI analysis of the clothing found with Chandra Levy's remains has
detected no traces of DNA, law enforcement sources said, all but
eliminating the possibility that forensic evidence from the site in
Rock Creek Park will help solve the case.

The chances of finding clues in the clothing were always considered
remote, in part because the material had been exposed to the elements
for over a year. But authorities had hoped the meticulous analysis
conducted by the FBI laboratory in Washington might still retrieve
hair follicles, blood or semen from Levy's clothing.

Levy's remains were found May 22 in the hilly terrain off Broad Branch
Road NW, a year to the month after she disappeared. Her leggings were
found knotted at the bottom of both ends, leading authorities to
suspect that she may have been tied up and sexually assaulted. A
T-shirt, underwear and a sports bra were also recovered and analyzed.

(snip)

D.C. Medical Examiner Jonathan L. Arden has ruled Levy's death a
homicide. He could not determine the cause of death, he said, because
of the condition of the remains. But he has said that Levy may have
been strangled.

The Levy family has three forensic experts -- who collectively have
helped investigate the assassinations of President John F. Kennedy and
the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. and O.J. Simpson's murder case --
examining the remains to offer another opinion. The three are Henry C.
Lee, Cyril H. Wecht and Michael Baden.

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From: Steve Franklin (kmvtt001@sneakemail.com)
Subject: Re: Chandra a regular jogger?
Newsgroups: alt.true-crime
Date: 2002-05-29 13:43:05 PST

Someone who regularly exercises in a health club does not just go out
one day and jog 10 miles in the park. To put this in perspective, the
marathon is only 26.2 miles. I have pointed out earlier that the
location where Chandra was found is NORTH of the mansion and would
have required a round trip run from her apartment of about 10 miles,
assuming she was planning on heading back home immediately from where
she was found. Does anyone seriously believe she took a cab north and
then got out and started jogging? Or that she went to the mansion to
see someone and then started jogging from there? Or that she went to
meet someone in the park at the spot where she was found? None of this
makes any sense.

So it is fairly obvious at this point that there was *someone* else
involved on the day of her death beyond some random loony she met
while jogging in the park. That theory holds no water. That person, a
good friend or just an acquaintance, was most likely the murderer and
the body was most likely transported to the spot where it was found.
The knotted leggings are either evidence that the murderer wished to
dispose of *all* incriminating evidence at the same place OR it is
evidence that someone wanted the crime to look like something it
wasn't.

As for the missing ring and keys (Washington Post, May 29, 2002), one
has to wonder why they weren't there. The ring had some value, being
made of gold. But why take the keys, unless someone needed to alter
the evidence at the apartment and didn't want to return to the body?
This brings into question ALL of the evidence found at the apartment:
the search engine use, the surfing, everything. Everything that was
there and everything that wasn't there. And it fairly begs the
conclusion that whoever took the keys knew where she lived. Again,
evidence of a friend or acquaintance.

As for why at every single step of this investigation the evidence has
only been found after it has reached its point of least usability--the
initial word game about "missing person" vs. murder, the erased video
tape at the apartment, the ignoring of the report of a woman screaming
in front of the apartment, the belated "search" through the park, and
finally, the finding of the body after it had been reduced to a
skeleton--we can either assume that the DC police department, in
contradiction to their own belief (Wash. Post, May 29, 2002) that they
are one of the best police departments in the world, is made up of a
bunch of bumbling idiots worthy of the Keystone Cops, or they are part
of a coverup aimed at protecting whomever was with Chandra Levy on the
day of her demise. Now who could possibly be worthy of such an effort?

Steve Franklin

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Levy May Have Been Strangled, Official Says
By Sari Horwitz and Allan Lengel
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, July 14, 2002; Page B1

D.C. Chief Medical Examiner Jonathan L. Arden said he believes that
Chandra Levy might have been strangled, though he does not have
conclusive evidence to rule that as the cause of death.

Levy's skeletal remains, discovered May 22 in Rock Creek Park, showed
damage to her hyoid, a small U-shaped bone in the upper neck, but it
was not broken, he said.

"A young person could be strangled and not have it show on the bones,"
said Arden, who ruled Levy's death a homicide but said the cause was
undetermined.

So far, results from the FBI tests done on evidence found in Rock
Creek Park have produced no clues to help solve her slaying, law
enforcement sources said. But investigators are focusing on the park,
collecting names of those who worked there or who frequently visited
its nature center or horse stables, public attractions that are less
than a half-mile from where Levy's remains were found.

Law enforcement authorities also are reviewing arrests for crimes,
including sexual offenses, in or near the park. They suspect that Levy
was sexually assaulted, because the leggings she was wearing when her
remains were discovered were turned inside out, with each leg knotted.

(snip)

Last summer, police said that about 1 p.m. that day, Levy used her
computer to look up Klingle Mansion, the National Park Service
headquarters for Rock Creek Park. Then she disappeared.

Now, police officials say Levy actually looked up the park and that a
reference to the mansion or the mansion's address appeared on the home
page.

Some investigators, according to law enforcement sources, believe that
Levy was attacked suddenly while she was walking on a dirt path
between Grant and Ridge roads near the Grove 17 picnic area.

Levy's skull and bones were found on a steep incline off the Western
Ridge trail, one of the park's principal hiking trails, which is about
three-tenths of a mile from the Rock Creek Nature Center and
Planetarium and the horse stables. The site has ridges, gullies and
dense underbrush, and fallen trees, low branches and shrubbery make
the footing difficult.

Sources say the way that Levy's clothing and other evidence were
scattered – with her broken sunglasses near the path and her Walkman
farther down the hill – suggests the possibility of a struggle.

(snip)

It is unclear, however, why Levy would have been walking on that
trail, four miles from her Dupont Circle apartment. Her friends and
relatives say she was not a jogger, was not familiar with the park and
had expressed safety concerns about being in Rock Creek Park by
herself.

The most obvious attraction near the trail, the Nature Center, was
closed May 1 last year, as it is every Tuesday. The stables were open,
but employees there said records do not show that she rode the horses,
and no one remembers her coming there that day. Levy's friends also
say she didn't like horses, even though her mother owned two.

Dwight Madison, supervisory ranger for the National Park Service, said
police officers have interviewed him, asking what route Levy would
have taken if she had walked or jogged from Klingle Mansion to where
her remains were found. A section of the Western Ridge trail runs
between Grove 17 and the mansion at the end of Williamsburg Lane, he
said.

A longtime rider at the stables said she and other riders think Levy
was killed elsewhere and dumped in the woods. They believe that their
horses would have picked up the scent of a decomposing body or that
riders would have seen animals attracted to a corpse.

(snip)

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transcript via e-mail from Rita:

(fair use)

quote

Was Chandra Levy Sexually Assaulted Before She Died?

This is a partial transcript from On the Record with Greta Van Susteren, May 31, 2002.


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Tonight, a new twist in the Chandra Levy murder mystery: Cops now suspect Chandra was sexually assaulted after examining leggings found at the crime scene.

Meantime, today's National Enquirer is painting a horrific account of Chandra's last minutes alive.

Joining us from Washington: David Wright, Senior Reporter for The National Enquirer, who was the lead writer for this week's special piece. And with us also from Washington: former D.C. homicide detective Ted Williams.

Welcome to both of you.

David, first to you. Take me to the crime scene. Exactly what did the police see when they arrived?

DAVID WRIGHT, NATIONAL ENQUIRER: Well, Greta, this certainly must have looked like the coldest crime scene possible.

Chandra had been lying out in the elements for 13 months. But clues did emerge pretty quickly. You've obviously heard about the leggings that were knotted. And the police believe that Chandra was bound with the stretch leggings. But we learned that, on those leggings in the crotch area, there are tiny crusted elements of residue that could be bodily fluids. Those pants, those leggings are now being examined at the FBI laboratory.

Of course, if that turns out to be semen, it could be a huge, huge breakthrough in this case.

VAN SUSTEREN: David, what were the actual conditions of the leggings? I have heard some discussion that they may have been knotted.

WRIGHT: The leggings were pulled off and turned inside out. And the legs were knotted at the end. Police believe they were knotted originally around
Chandra's wrists.

VAN SUSTEREN: And how far away were the leggings actually found from the skeletal remains, if you know?

WRIGHT: Very close.

VAN SUSTEREN: And by very close, what do you mean? Less than 1 foot?

WRIGHT: There's some suggestion that part of the leggings may still have been attached to a bone.

VAN SUSTEREN: Ted, your thoughts. You're a homicide detective in D.C., you come upon a scene and you see that. What do you do with that when you discover that?

TED WILLIAMS, FORMER D.C. HOMICIDE DETECTIVE: Well, certainly, you would
want to send it to the FBI for forensic tests.

But, you know, Greta, I'm very concerned. I was out at the crime scene this afternoon, by the way. And it's such a steep incline that, if in fact there was a sexual assault at that venue, at that location, I can tell you, the guy would have to have been very acrobatic. And I say that simply because of the manner in which that there's an incline.

Now, everything I saw there this afternoon led me to believe that Chandra possibly was killed somewhere else, brought to this location. And I now believe -- and I may very well be wrong -- but I do believe that it could have been possibly two people involved in this and not just one person, in light of the location.

VAN SUSTEREN: And that is because, Ted, because the body -- at least in your view, your hypothesis -- and this is a hypothesis at this point -- had to be moved from some distance?

WILLIAMS: Yes. I would think that it would have, even if you were at the top of the hill and you threw the body down.

Listen, Greta, let's be very realistic. When you're talking about rapists
who murder, people who rob, who kill, those individuals will rob, kill, and get out of there. They will rape, kill, and move out in a hurry. They don't take time to try to get rid of a body. Somebody methodically attempted to get rid of the body of Chandra Levy, as far as I'm concerned.

VAN SUSTEREN: Ted, how far or how close can you actually drive an automobile to the place where the body could then be pushed over this sort of hilly area?

WILLIAMS: It's a distance. It is quite a distance away, I would say at least 200-300 yards or even more from where you could drive an automobile. Now, if you came in from one side, where you would have to actually cross the creek and go up the incline, as I did this afternoon, you would be closer to the area where this crime took place, or where they found the skeletal remains. But it's very difficult.

So, my theory on this is, it is difficult to believe one person took that body through the woods, came to this cliff-like area, and then dropped it. I just don't see it happening that way.

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scr wrote:

Fox News reported that the leggings were inside-out. Their point was that any DNA evidence on the outside of the leggings may have been preserved. The leggings were previously reported to have had both legs knotted separately.

I could not understand why knotted leggings would end up inside-out, so I knotted a pair up and tried a few things. Here's my best guess, for the sake of discussion.

DO NOT TRY THIS ON YOURSELF OR ANYONE ELSE - USE AN INANIMATE PROP ONLY. There, I hope I'm off the hook.

If one starts with the leggings knotted but the right way out, and pulls them down hard over a headlike prop so that the head is down one leg, the prop-victim is blind, can't scream well, and can hardly breath. The remaining legging can be grasped by the knot and wrapped tight around the prop's neck. Note that this can be done with one hand, the other remaining free to restrain the prop. After the necessary time, the legging wrapped around the neck is loosened and the natural way to remove the leggings from the head is to pull by the waistband. In my tests, this always ended up with at least the butt part and one leg inside out, and sometimes both legs (i.e. the whole thing inside-out).

After trying this with reasonable force, I found it impossible to undo the knots while wearing even thin leather gloves. I suggest that, in this scenario, the murderer would not risk removing his gloves, and might therefore choose to leave the leggings as they were.

Prior this scenario, it would also have been helpful to have removed Chandra's sunglasses, perhaps explaining both why they were carried from the scene and why they were separate from the missing jewelry, which would have been removed after death: the natural place to put sunglasses would be a shirt or jacket pocket, but I suggest a pants pocket would be a natural place to put the jewelry.

Fire at will...

scr

[rd]

Never in my wildest dreams would I have imagined what one does with knotted leggings, scr. That explains it very well.

There have been some vague descriptionss that the tights were still attached to some bones, but that the bones were not inside clothes. That's the best I could make of it, anyway.

Of course, I don't believe she was there alive, and that she took off her clothes willingly for this guy who just broke up with her three days before and whose wife was in town. I think she was brought there later, much later. The killer knew Chandra in my opinion, and faked a robbery and sexual assault by placing her body there at that site with knotted leggings and missing, unpawned jewelry.

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