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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 8:46 am    Post subject: The Bureau of Prisons Reply with quote

Traces of anthrax were found at the Bureau of Prisons headquarters - there's a reference to it at

http://www.burrelles.com/transcripts/nbc/toda0104.htm

The item is referred to under the date, November 20, 2001.

There's a list of transcripts (not clickable)

Here's part of the list (bolding added):

November 20, 2001
• Update on the war in Afghanistan
• Searching for Osama bin Laden
• Bush hosts Ramadan dinner for Muslim representatives
• Leahy letter believed to be from same person who sent Daschle letter; traces of anthrax found in Bureau of Prisons headquarters
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jane,

Thanks for finding this. There are some interesting jewels in these Burrelles Transcripts.

I went back to the October listings for the Today show and spotted this very interesting headline:

from October 1, 2001
"* Dr. Frank Bia discusses the effectiveness of using the antibiotic Cipro against a possible anthrax epidemic "

This is extremely interesting because Bob Stevens of American Media went into the hospital on October 2 ! In other words, some booking agent on the Today show has the unusual gift of finding an expert on a problem - "a possible anthrax epidemic" before there is a single case of it. And, they mention Cipro (manufactured by Don Rumsfeld's former company Bioport) as the best solution.

Just to be sure I went over the Today show headlines for September to see if they mentioned Anthrax prior to this October surprise. Zippo and Nada. This was a first.

Taking a look at the CBS morning show headline lists to see if there were any other appearances by Dr. Bia who is a Professor at Yale Medical School and a popular lecturer.

Great find Jane


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the url for the September topics on the Today show. Did a search for the word Anthrax. Nothing. The October 1 discussion with Dr. Bia comes out of nowhere. Who sent him? Who booked him on the show? going back to see if there was any chat on the Sunday talk shows such as Meet the Press about possible bio attacks. Very Very interesting......


http://www.burrelles.com/transcripts/nbc/toda0109.htm



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 8:55 am    Post subject: Cipro Reply with quote

Interesting article about Cipro:

http://westchesterweekly.com/gbase/News/content?oid=oid:34987

Fairfield County Weekly
Fairfield, CT

Anthrax vs. the Cure
Exposed Workers Blame Cipro
for Crippling Effects.

by Patrick Rucker - September 25, 2003

KATHLEEN CEI PHOTO/MATT FORD ILLUSTRATION

Taking Bayer's Cipro seemed inhalation antrax. But now some are
asking, "At what cost?"



When an anthrax-laced letter was opened in the Washington office of
South Dakota Sen. Tom Daschle on Oct. 15, 2001, Capitol Hill staff
had good reason to panic. Ten days earlier, Bob Stevens, a 63-year-
old photo editor at the supermarket tabloid the Sun, had died from
complications relating to inhalation anthrax. "Are you afraid?" the
letter taunted.

Yes, they were. Nearly three dozen Capitol Hill staff tested positive
for anthrax exposure. Spores of the deadly bacterium were found in
the mailroom and were feared to have been disseminated throughout the
building.

The only prudent thing to do, authorities decided, would be to
administer doses of the powerful antibiotic Cipro to those who were
in proximity to the infected letter.

Daschle's office adjoined that of Montana Sen. Max Baucus. Baucus
staffer John Angell took the drug along with all of his colleagues.
Neither Angell, nor anyone else working at the Capitol, contracted
inhalation anthrax. The drug seemed to work. But now some are
asking, "At what cost?"

Days after starting his cycle of Cipro, Angell began suffering pain
in his joints and tendons. Walking became labored and painful. He
stopped taking Cipro, but his condition did not improve. In fact, his
condition has never improved. Chronic pain forced Angell to leave his
post with Baucus. He now works as a consultant from home and lays the
blame for his disability on Cipro.

And Angell is not alone. The drug that he believes debilitated him is
being blamed by many others for destroying their normal lives, and
now they are taking action. A Philadelphia law firm is preparing a
class action lawsuit against Bayer Pharmaceutical, Cipro's Germany-
based manufacturer, which has its North American headquarters in West
Haven. The suit is being filed on behalf of the Capitol Hill staff,
Washington postal workers, employees of American Media--publisher of
the Sun and National Inquirer--and all those who claim to have been
injured after taking Cipro in the wake of the anthrax scare. The suit
also involves persons who took the drug for routine medical purposes.

In a separate action, hundreds of postal workers from Washington,
D.C.'s Brentwood mail processing facility are suing the Postal
Service for failing to provide them with sufficient information about
the building's anthrax contamination and their possible exposure.

Last December, Sen. Baucus called on the General Accounting Office--
the investigative arm of Congress--to determine whether public-health
authorities knew enough "about the risks, benefits and consequences
of long-term Cipro use as a preventive measure against anthrax." A
Baucus spokeswoman says the investigation is now in the hands of the
Centers for Disease Control.

Attorney Steve Sheller is leading the Cipro lawsuit. Hundreds of
people, Sheller believes, are suffering severe health problems
related to the drug.

Sheller says Cipro has left his clients with a variety of
debilitating ailments, including severe joint pain, tendinitis and
muscle ache, severe anxiety and panic attacks, insomnia and
depression.

Sheller claims Cipro was often the wrong medicine for dealing with
the anthrax scare and that Bayer knew the drug could cause
complications, particularly if taken in combination with other drugs,
but continued to push its use anyway.

"They were handing Cipro out like candy," Sheller says, and his
clients were not informed about possible adverse effects.

If the Sept. 11 attacks shattered a sense of national
invulnerability, the anthrax case seemed to show that we were not
completely helpless. Cipro had been approved by the U.S. Food and
Drug Administration the previous July specifically to treat
inhalation anthrax.

The drug was widely seen as a silver bullet against the fatal
illness, and Bayer vowed to keep the nation armed. The company
churned out more of the drug at its German manufacturing headquarters
and sent it to the company's North American pharmaceutical
headquarters in West Haven. There, during 24-hour shifts and under
heightened security, the drug was processed into tablets and
packaged. By mid-October 2001, the company had cranked up its
production from 20 million to 50 million tablets per month and said
it would continue that pace until the demand subsided.

The Centers for Disease Control estimates that 10,000 persons in the
eastern U.S. were offered a 60-day cycle of Cipro as part of an
unprecedented prevention program. Many more went hunting for the
drug. Dr. John Shanley, director of the infectious disease division
at the University of Connecticut Health Center, received "tons" of
requests for Cipro in the days after the Florida anthrax attacks.

About six weeks later the hysteria subsided. The number of new cases
of anthrax dwindled and then stopped. Five people died from
inhalation anthrax. By the time Ottilie Lundgren, 94, of Oxford,
Conn. --the last victim--succumbed, attention had already turned to
events in Afghanistan, the Middle East and other fronts in the war on
terrorism. The fact that the source of the anthrax attack has never
been discovered has all but been forgotten.

But the looming lawsuit and second anniversary of the anthrax attacks
raise many questions about how officials dealt with the outbreak, in
particular the widespread use of Cipro.

"That is why this is so important," Sheller says. "When you have an
emergency situation like the anthrax attacks, you want to make sure
that people are given important information about what they are being
handed. That did not happen in many instances, and it does not happen
even today in non-emergency situations."

Sheller, a founding partner of the firm Sheller, Ludwig and Badey--
one of the biggest product liability and class action firms on the
East Coast--has been part of many high-profile suits, including
claims for faulty breast and penile implants, the aggressive
marketing of Prozac and endoscope safety.

Sheller claims that Bayer's promotion of Cipro during the anthrax
scare offers only one example of a drug company providing inaccurate
information about its product in order to boost sales. If his clients
had known the dangers of Cipro, particularly when taken in
combination with other drugs, Sheller says, they would never have
taken them.

Even some of those who are skeptical of Sheller's claims of
widespread health problems caused by Cipro see problems in how
authorities dealt with the anthrax scare and have misgivings about
how a similar biological or chemical terror attack would be handled
in the future. The decision to widely use Cipro against the anthrax
attacks, seen as a prudent response at the time, now seems to have
been hasty and made without a full appreciation of the consequences.

"The problem was that the dangers of weaponized anthrax were not
fully appreciated, nor the dangers of side effects from Cipro," says
David Ozonoff, professor of environmental health at Boston
University's School of Public Health, who has studied the response to
the anthrax outbreak.

The CDC, he says, "should have known better about how many spores it
took to infect. They issued a falsely reassuring line that it took
10,000 spores. ... Secondly, there was additional information that
was almost certainly known to the military about the dangers of
weaponized material that was not shared with public health
authorities, compounding the problem."

While Cipro was the most potent drug, it was not the only one
effective against the strain of anthrax behind the outbreak. In fact,
many common antibacterials, such as penicillin, were just as
effective in killing the bacteria. Such reports went unheeded at the
time, as did warnings about side effects and word that widespread
improper use of the drug could diminish its long-term effectiveness.
Instead, the strongest medicine was sought first.

"I'm not saying that Cipro does not work," Sheller insists. "What I
am saying is that it should not be used to the extent that it is
used."

Bob Grozier, 44, a claimant in Sheller's suit, agrees. His experience
with Cipro began before the anthrax attacks, when he was diagnosed
with a bacterial infection of his prostate in early 2001.

Suffering crippling pain and urinary problems, Grozier was twice
prescribed antibacterial cycles. Twice the problem returned before he
began a 60-day cycle of Cipro and a second anti-inflammatory drug to
ease the pain in his prostate.

The drugs seemed to work. A prostate culture found that Cipro had
knocked out the bacteria. But within days of finishing the cycle,
Grozier began hearing a ringing in his ear and had trouble sleeping.

"I got complete insomnia where I could not sleep at all," Grozier
says. "Then shortly after that I had a massive, incredibly massive
panic attack. It was so bad that I had to go to the emergency room."

"We took him in there and got him in the door and he laid down on the
floor in the waiting room and started to weep," remembers Grozier's
mother, Shirley, who was there at the time. "He cried and cried and
cried. ... That was the first time I saw my adult son cry."

Before Grozier's health problems, he was a computer systems manager
at an insurance company in eastern Pennsylvania, earning $88,000 a
year. Now living in his mother's house with his wife and daughter,
Grozier relies on disability insurance and Social Security.

"I've met several people on the Internet that have been damaged by
Cipro," Grozier says. "It's scary because a couple of them are three
to five years out and still have symptoms."

Bayer insists that its drug is safe. According to Dr. Paul MacCarthy,
vice president of U.S. medical science at Bayer's West Haven
facility, Cipro is a highly effective antibiotic with an over 15-year
record of successfully treating a wide range of severe bacterial
infections--urinary tract, prostitis, respiratory tract and bronchial-
-with few adverse effects.

The observed side effects, according to Dr. MacCarthy, "were
typically gastrointestinal--nausea, vomiting, diarrhea. ... We're
talking side effects of less than 5 percent."

Cipro has largely proven itself safe and effective, MacCarthy says.
He points out that the Centers for Disease Control conducted a study
of the impact of Cipro on those taking it after the anthrax outbreak
and found that there were few long-term effects. MacCarthy also
points out that the FDA approved a high-dose, once-a-day version of
Cipro last August to treat urinary tract infections and that other
drug companies are now producing their own generic versions of the
drug.

A CDC study released one year after the attacks indeed concluded
that "adverse events associated with antimicrobial prophylaxis [Cipro
is the dominant drug in the study] to prevent anthrax were commonly
reported, but hospitalizations and serious adverse events as defined
by Food and Drug Administration criteria were rare."

"If you are telling me that someone had these effects and they were
persisting, long-term, months to years after treatment, I would be
surprised," Dr. MacCarthy says.

To Colin Isaac, a chemical industry analyst for J.P. Morgan in
London, Sheller's Cipro case sounds opportunistic.

Attorneys may smell blood since Bayer was forced to remove its anti-
cholesterol drug Baycol from the market in August 2001. That product
led to over 10,000 lawsuits, Isaac estimates, and forced analysts
like him to guess the company's exposure. "On the Baycol thing there
were all sorts of calculations you could do looking at the number of
plaintiffs, what sort of amounts of money the were looking for,
whether it was going to be covered by insurance. That did seem like a
pretty serious case."

Isaac is less worried about the firm's exposure in the Cipro case, he
says, because "Cipro is one of the biggest-selling antibiotics in the
world" and has been sold by Bayer for a long time.

"It is a massive drug that has never before had these side effects,"
Isaac says. "I would be surprised, to be honest, if they get anywhere
with this."

Sheller insists that he has a strong case. He predicts it will follow
the arc of his successful suit against GlaxoSmithKlein, makers of
Lymerix, the Lyme disease vaccine that was recently forced off the
market.

The health problems faced by Grozier and others can be directly
traced to Cipro, Sheller maintains, and he looks forward to proving
that point. The frequency and common nature of the complaints against
Cipro indicate that the drug is to blame, he says.

"I never had these problems before," Grozier says. "It's not only my
experience, but the great number of people I've met on the Internet.
It could not be possible that we all had normal lives, took this
medication and now our lives are ruined."

Whatever the result of the suit, some say the real lesson of Cipro's
use to treat anthrax will be for the future of a chemical or
biological attack.

"The 'security concerns' about scientific information, which keeps
such information closely guarded, is almost certainly more dangerous
than having it out there," says environmental health prof
Ozonoff. "There are thousands of soft targets to tempt the average
terrorist, and they don't need relatively sophisticated information
to do it. The big danger is that important information will not be
shared with those in the public health community who need to know
it."
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey,

Take a look at this! From the Burrelles list for the CBS Early Show :

"October 10, 2001
* This morning's news headlines
* US military officials believe Taliban's air defenses and communications in Afghanistan knocked out of commission
* Secretary of State Colin Powell discusses the air strikes against Afghanistan
* Anthrax cases in Florida continue to be investigated
* Hank and Jordan Arizmendi discuss the anthrax cases in Florida, where Jordan Arizmendi was initially a suspect "

Checking these names
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Story last updated at 11:44 a.m. on Wednesday, October 10, 2001
Intern worried anthrax probe, questioning, will haunt him

by Allen G. Breed
Associated Press Writer
BOCA RATON, Fla. (AP) -- When Jordan Arizmendi finished his internship at the National Enquirer in August, he thought he'd leave a "cute, funny" e-mail behind to say good-bye and thanks. "I will be remembered by all the little tricks and treats that I hid around the office," he wrote.

Not everyone thought the note cute. And for one agonizing day, the soft-spoken college senior was the object of fears and media reports that one of those "treats" might have been anthrax.

The FBI met with the Fort Lauderdale man for about an hour Monday on the Florida Atlantic University campus and quickly cleared him of any suspicion of bioterrorism. But Arizmendi fears the taint will stay with him.

"I think it will hurt me indeed," Arizmendi, 23, said Tuesday before going to be tested for anthrax. "I think my name will be connected with terrorists. You read in the papers, they write a two-page story of what the man's accused of, and then maybe a week later they'll write two sentences to exonerate him."

Arizmendi was one of a dozen FAU students who won $2,500 summer scholarships sponsored by American Media Inc., which publishes the Enquirer and five other tabloid newspapers.

Officials descended on the AMI headquarters in Boca Raton after a photo editor for The Sun died Friday of inhaled anthrax and a mailroom employee tested positive for it Sunday. Immediately, employees began looking for anything suspicious that happened in the past few weeks.

One senior reporter mentioned the e-mail from Arizmendi, noting that his dark skin and exotic name made him seem Middle Eastern. In reality, his father is of Spanish-Basque descent, and his mother is Jewish.

Arizmendi said he learned from a New York Daily News reporter Monday that the FBI wanted to question him. Agents plucked him from an interview with the Walt Disney Co. about a post-college internship.

Arizmendi said he borrowed the e-mail idea from his brother, who sent a similar note on his last day at a law firm and left little caches of sweets hidden around the office. On his last day, Arizmendi brought about $30 worth of bagels and cream cheese to the office as a token of his appreciation.

"It was cheesy and humorous," the stocky, bespectacled man said of the note. "That's what I was trying to do. ... Maybe that was a little too bold."

Arizmendi planned to resume his Disney meeting where it broke off, though he's concerned how all this controversy will effect his job prospects.

"It couldn't have happened at a worse time," he said. "In a couple of months, I'm going to be graduating and looking for work."

Besides being racially profiled incorrectly, Arizmendi is hurt that anyone at the newspaper would think him capable of anything like this.

"I don't really know what to think," he said. "I don't really hold any resentment. That's not my nature. The trick whenever a tragedy befalls someone is to try to turn it into a positive event.

"I hope I can do that."

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EDITOR'S NOTE: Allen G. Breed is the AP's Southeast regional writer, based in Raleigh, N.C.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just an aside - Bayer, the maker of Cipro - was part of Germany's manufacturer I.G. Farben, who worked slave labourers to death at Auscwitz and produced Zyklon B, the poison used in the infamous death camp gas chambers.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 9:30 am    Post subject: Bayer, IG Farben, Merck Reply with quote

Quote:
Just an aside - Bayer, the maker of Cipro - was part of Germany's manufacturer I.G. Farben, who worked slave labourers to death at Auscwitz and produced Zyklon B, the poison used in the infamous death camp gas chambers.



You are sharp, Jane! You caught that right away.


I think we should look more closely at Bayer (the maker of Cipro) and Merck:


The nerfarious name of MERCK surfaces again: From Death in the Air by Dr.Leonard Horowitz:

"According to CBS News correspondent Paul Manning, who credited Allen Dulles <of Operation Paperclip infamy> for much of his information, on August 10th 1944, the lion's share of the Nazi war chest, that is, the working capital of the I. G. Farben-Rockefellar chemical pharmaceutical cartel, went largely to George Merck's company" The name of Merck Pharmaceuticals pops up again and again in subjects involving possible and deliberate vaccine contamination and the development and dispersal of new disease agents: Another quote from Death in the Air:
"I traced the development of viruses, functionally and descriptively identical to HIV and Ebola to the West Nile region of Northwest Uganda. There, military-medical operationsand vaccine experiments were ongoing involving the biological weapons contractor, Litton Bionetics. Under National Institutues of Health contracts, Bionetics shipped contaminated monkeys and chimpanzees to New York City, where Dr. Maurice Hilleman received them to develop Merck pharmaceutical company vacicines. Figure 4.1 shows this contract, circulated at the NCI at the time the first GRID/AIDS cases were being diagnosed in New York City. As described therein these vaccine experiments focused on the "type-C" cancer retroviruses with simultaneous "coinfections" with herpes viruses such as the Epstein-Barr virus that caused the never before seen leukemia-sarcoma-lymphoma cancer complex later called GRID of AIDS. The most implicated vaccine trigger for HIV/AIDS was the experimental heptatis B vaccine given simultaneously to gay men in NYC and Blacks in Central
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 10:52 am    Post subject: Some light Sunday reading Reply with quote

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/891484/posts

FreeRepublic RE: Sars virus created in lab- man made virus
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/middle_east/3002023.stm

Above: Iraq- Dr Ammash- worked on Bio weapons. I recall reading an article at the onset of the current war about her. She and a few other scientists grabbed their 'work' from the lab and loaded into the trunk of a car.

http://mypage.uniserve.ca/~ron-anne/tsp.htm
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to add a list of things that Gary Condit may have accidently whispered to Chandra Levy that might have created a National Security issue in May of 2001.

What she learned and who she talked to about it may have been a factor in her disappearance and death.

Most likely:

1. Something about the McVeigh execution and the bombing of the Murrah building in Oklahoma City.

2. Something about Enron, the energy crisis and the Bush administration

3. Something about a plan for a New Pearl Harbor to effect the New American Century.

4. Something about Anthrax

5. Something about Gary Condit's plans to jump to the Republican party.

6. All of the above


I believe that if you solve her case and find the perpe-traitors you'll solve the other mysteries.

The blurb about Anthrax traces being found at the Bureau of Prisons above is another sticky link in the web.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

>>> Something about the McVeigh execution and the bombing of the Murrah building in Oklahoma City. <<<

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Nichols' defense challenges state's key witness
Judge rejects motion to toss murder case

Wednesday, April 21, 2004 Posted: 1936 GMT (0336 HKT)

McALESTER, Oklahoma (CNN) -- A lawyer for bombing conspirator Terry Nichols tried Wednesday to deflate testimony from Michael Fortier -- the third former Army buddy in the Oklahoma City bombing plot -- that suggested Nichols participated in planning the 1995 attack.

Fortier had testified Tuesday that bomb mastermind Timothy McVeigh told him that Nichols was involved in the plan to blow up the Alfred E. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. (Full story)

In cross-examination, defense attorney Brian Hermanson asked Fortier, "You never talked to Terry Nichols about bombing the federal building, did you?"

Fortier answered, "No, sir."

"Or any building," Hermanson asked.

"That's correct," Fortier replied.

Cross-examination is expected to last all day.

Nichols and McVeigh were both convicted of federal charges for the deaths of eight federal agents from the Oklahoma City bombing. McVeigh was executed in 2001 and Nichols was sent to prison for life.

The 49-year-old Nichols is now on trial facing 161 state murder charges for the other victims and a fetus of one of the victims. Nichols could get the death penalty if convicted.

Wednesday's exchange between Fortier and Nichols' defense attorney came after the judge in the state murder trial dealt the defense a series of blows Wednesday, refusing to dismiss the case against Nichols and ruling the defense could not pursue theories about other suspects without concrete evidence.

"This motion is laced with melodrama and hyperbole, but no substance," Judge Steven W. Taylor said of the dismissal motion by the defense.

Nichols showed no reaction to any of Taylor's rulings.

The defense had argued the government had withheld a surveillance video that showed three people in addition to bomb mastermind Timothy McVeigh getting out of a moving truck three minutes before a bomb tore through the federal building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995, killing 168 people.

The defense said that information about the tape was included in a Secret Service log, but agents have testified the log contained rumor and uncorroborated information and Taylor said, "The court finds absolutely no evidence that such a tape exists. The court will not dismiss based on speculation and guesswork."

Taylor also ruled that many defense theories that other people participated in the planning and execution of the bombing could not be presented to the jury. However, he said the defense could bring up the search for "John Doe No. 2," a man witnesses said was with McVeigh in Junction City, Kansas, two days before the bombing when he rented the moving truck used in the bombing.

A nationwide search was launched after witnesses described the man they said was with McVeigh. The suspect was never found, and the FBI later decided the witnesses were mistaken and no such suspect existed.

The defense also wanted to present the theory that a group of white supremacist bank robbers might have helped McVeigh, but Taylor said that theory could not be presented without evidence the group did something specific to aid the bomb plot.

"This is a dry hole," he said. "There is no showing of any connection."

Taylor also told the defense it could not bring up the possible involvement of a right-wing religious encampment at Elohin City, Oklahoma, with whom McVeigh had been in telephone contact. The judge said there was no evidence to connect the group to the plot.

Taylor said the defense could call witnesses who said they saw other people with McVeigh in the moving truck or his old yellow Mercury getaway car in Oklahoma City on the morning of the bombing.

Those witnesses include a tire store worker who said another man was in the truck beside McVeigh on the morning of the bombing, when it stopped at his business half a dozen blocks from the federal building. The FBI has discounted that witnesses' account and other similar reports.

After the judge's rulings, prosecutors went over to victims' relatives sitting in the court gallery and hugged them.

CNN's Susan Candiotti and Jim Polk contributed to this report.

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if such a surveillance video did exist, i wonder if chandra might have found out about it.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting. The gov't sure was in a hurry to execute McVeigh. I've often wondered why. Most other death row inmates wait for years,
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