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[fallout]

This is so wonderful!!

I was having dinner when Peter Jennings mentioned it (after helping to whoop up the WAR!) and my jaw dropped a couple of feet.

Heaven bless Larry the K and all the pundits and talkers. And John Walsh and Mark Klass and even Geragerose. I'm just so happy that the kid was found alive.

Those pictures of the kid in a veil are amazing! How could someone seeing them not question the weirdness of it. That close up!!!

No more secrets. Open discussion. Town feeling about what's right. It actually worked for once.


We are hearing rumors in NYC that Osama has been found and captured. This will be just in time for the Friday papers. Could be just a rumor but there's a lot of ""Heat"" on it. It will magically balance the decision of the Bushmongers to put off the WAR for another four weeks. And after that, according to psychologists, the American public will forget about why we so urgently needed to invade Iraq.

The NYC City Council, along with about 100 other city councils across the U.S. voted tonight against the invasion of Iraq. I know that don't mean anything to the guy in the street in Omaha but its a little closer to the American Ideal than the tortured logic out of D.C.

We are good people. Who are capable of caring about a little girl we didn't even know when her parents grieved so deeply. Are we ready to play the game out of Texas for reasons we don't believe in?

Let us thank the heavens for miracles and learn by them everyday!!!!!

James

[EmmaPeel]

[EmmaPeel]

Mitchell said he wanted a second wife....


Teen who vanished from Utah home found safe

By Mike Carter
Seattle Times staff reporter
and Times news services

Elizabeth Smart, the teenager snatched in the night from her bedroom nine months ago, was found alive and well yesterday in a Salt Lake City suburb in the company of a drifter who once had worked as a handyman at her family's home.

Investigators said the bearded drifter, identified as Brian David Mitchell, told them he wanted the girl to become his second wife. "It was a religious thing," a police source told The Seattle Times. "This guy just wanted another wife, and God told him this was the one."

Mitchell, 49, a self-described prophet to the homeless, and a companion identified as Rhonda Eileen Barzee were taken into custody by police in the Salt Lake suburb of Sandy while 15-year-old Elizabeth was reunited with her parents and her five siblings. They were held on suspicion of aggravated kidnapping. No criminal charges had been filed late last night.

"Miracles do exist," said Tom Smart, the girl's uncle.

"All of the children out there deserve to come back to their parents the way Elizabeth has come back to us," her father, Ed Smart, said as he broke into sobs. "It is nothing but a miracle. I just held her, held her the whole way home."

He added: "I don't know what she's gone through, and I'm sure she's been through hell. I just know that she's a part of our family, she's loved and we love her so much."

Police said Elizabeth looked much the same as she did last summer.

"She looked healthy," Salt Lake City Police Chief Rick Dinse said. "She's a smart, alert lady."

A celebration ensued in front of the Smarts' home in affluent Federal Heights, with neighbors and members of the family's Mormon congregation holding blue and yellow balloons.

"How can I even talk? This is such a miracle," said Lynne Godfrey, 57, a neighbor. "I had given up hope — I mean, where would she have been? Who would have taken care of her for a year?"

"A lot of people in Salt Lake City had thought she was gone for good," said Jason Olsen, a spokesman for the school Elizabeth attended. "This is a big relief."

The startling conclusion to a crime that had captivated the country because of its chilling circumstances came about 15 miles from where Elizabeth had disappeared.

Many details of the break in the case were still vague last night, but police said they believe that the teenager had been held the entire time against her will.

A Smart family spokesman, Chris Thomas, said Elizabeth apparently had no chance to escape.

"She said there was no way, she had two people with her at all times," he said.

Police said they stopped the drifter, who had been wanted for questioning in the case, shortly after two couples reported spotting him near a fast-food restaurant. Elizabeth was found with him, unharmed and wearing a dark wig. Police said Elizabeth identified herself to officers after they approached Mitchell and Barzee.

Police also said they are investigating whether the girl had spent part of the past nine months living on the road with her alleged kidnappers and traveling as far as San Diego and south Florida. The group was stopped by authorities in Utah and Nevada and the girl gave officers a false name, a source told The Seattle Times.

The San Diego County Sheriff's Department said Mitchell had been seen near San Diego within the past few weeks. Police there said three employees of a market in nearby Lakeside, Calif., were shown a photograph of Mitchell yesterday afternoon and recognized him.

The trio returned to Salt Lake by bus in the past week, law-enforcement sources told the Times. They had been living in the mountains, a police source said, because "Old Testament prophets lived in the mountains, and that's where he thought he should live."

In November, the Kirkland Police Department and the King County Sheriff's Office began investigating a letter found at a Kirkland convenience store indicating Smart was alive and in this area.

Sheriff's Sgt. Kevin Fagerstrom said the note appeared to have been written by a girl living in the Firloch neighborhood in the Kingsgate area. The note, Fagerstrom said, indicated Smart was staying with this girl and was "safe and well and did not wish to be reunited with her family, but wanted her parents to know that she was safe."

"There was just enough of a hint of sincerity and a hint of maturity that we felt it couldn't be ignored," Fagerstrom said.

Authorities contacted Salt Lake City police and, after surveillance turned up nothing, they posted and distributed more than 1,000 fliers in the area in January. That didn't result in any credible leads, either, Fagerstrom said.

"Our feeling was that if there was any possibility that Elizabeth was in that neighborhood, someone would have seen her," Fagerstrom said. "Whether she was ever there or not, I guess we'll find out from Elizabeth."

Mitchell had emerged as a possible suspect in recent weeks, and sketches of him had been released around the Salt Lake City area, but police said that they did not know his whereabouts and that there also was some confusion about his name. He also has been identified as Emmanuel Mitchell.

Elizabeth's mother, Lois Smart, has said she met Mitchell in downtown Salt Lake City in November 2001 when he asked for money. She gave him $5 and hired him to help her husband work on the roof. He worked for about five hours, and family members say they didn't see him again.

Elizabeth disappeared June 5 after an armed man cut a screen on the back of the Smarts' home. Her 9-year-old sister, Mary Katherine, who shared a room with her, told investigators that Elizabeth was abducted from her bed about 1 a.m. by a soft-spoken man who threatened the two girls with a gun.

The Smart family had been asleep at the time. Mary Katherine was awake but was so afraid that the intruder was still in the house that she stayed in bed for hours before telling her parents.

The younger girl provided police with a rough description of the kidnapper, but the widespread search for him quickly went cold.

Ed Smart, a real-estate broker, also began a desperate national campaign to find his daughter. Hundreds of volunteers spent weeks combing Salt Lake City and its surrounding foothills. Photos of Elizabeth blanketed the region. A task force of local and federal agents sorted through more than 16,000 leads.

For months, the top potential suspect was Richard Ricci, a handyman and convicted felon who had once worked in the Smart household. He insisted he had nothing to do with the kidnapping. Ricci died Aug. 30 after suffering a cerebral hemorrhage while in prison on a parole violation.

Ricci's widow, Angela, called yesterday's discovery a "joyous day for us and the Smarts."

[jane]

Doesn't it seem ironic that Mitchell hated Mormonism, yet decided to use one of its (mostly abandoned) tenets - having more than 1 wife?
_________________
"There is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known."
Christ

[EmmaPeel]

Sounded like he wanted to start his own cult to me, Jane! All those cult leaders want to suck people into their web, especially woman and then teach them that the road to salvation is to have sex with them. One thing's for sure, this guy and his wacked-out wife need to be put UNDER the jail...not in it.


Elizabeth Smart leaves the Salt Lake City police department with her family on Wednesday.


Missing Teen Elizabeth Smart Returns Home
By PATTY HENETZ, Associated Press Writer

SALT LAKE CITY - In the hours after Elizabeth Smart disappeared from her bedroom in the middle of the night last June, hundreds of searchers combed the canyons behind her home, calling her name and looking for any sign she had passed that way.

She heard them.

"She heard her uncle David Francom call her but she was not able to respond to him," another uncle, Tom Smart, said Thursday morning. "I don't know why."

She also saw the powder blue ribbons — her favorite color — that festooned fences, stop signs and power poles.

"We said, those were for you, sweetheart," Smart said. "She just smiled. She's in shock. She's been in the hands of a very sick person."

As the Smart family and investigators began piecing together what had happened to Elizabeth, Brian Mitchell and Wanda Barzee were being held in the Salt Lake County jail on suspicion of aggravated kidnapping, said Kent Morgan, Salt Lake County's deputy district attorney.

Elizabeth was found with the couple Wednesday after sharp-eyed residents led police to the 15-year-old, who walking with them down a suburban street. Elizbeth and Barzee were wearing bedraggled veils and carrying bedrolls and bags, and all three were in wigs, authorities said.

Months earlier, Elizabeth's 10-year-old sister, Mary Katherine, had told her parents she thought a man they knew as Emmanuel, a drifter who had worked for the family for a day, could be the kidnapper.

Last month, Emmanuel was identified as Mitchell, a man who believed he was a prophet chosen to preach to the homeless.

As her tearful parents embraced their daughter Wednesday afternoon, investigators began trying to answer the questions on everyone's minds: How was Elizabeth taken? Where did she go? What kept her from crying out for help even as she roamed the streets just minutes from her home?

Formal charges haven't yet been filed against Mitchell, 49, or Barzee. Federal and Salt Lake County investigators and prosecutors were to meet Thursday morning, Morgan said, to begin sifting through "a great deal of information" before deciding what charges should be filed and in what jurisdiction, federal or state.

Morgan said he expected no decisions for several days. Federal prosecutors could file charges if Elizabeth was taken out of Utah during the ordeal, as investigators believe.

Ed Smart said Thursday that he had not asked his daughter for details about her nine months away from home.

"Physically she's OK," he told CBS's "The Early Show." "I know that she's been through brainwashing. For her to have gone through the past nine months has just been horrible, absolutely horrible."

Barzee's stepdaughter, Louree Gayler, was 12 when her mother married Mitchell. She said they prayed for hours and expected her to do the same, and that she felt uncomfortable and went to live with her father after three years.

"There could have been a little bit of a brainwashing, they're very good at that," Gayler, now 27, told NBC's "Today" show. "Or there could have been drugs involved."

She said Elizabeth may have been kidnapped to "give my mom back something she lost. Elizabeth resembles me at 15," she told the Tribune.

Asked if her stepfather was sexually abusive, she said there were "hugs, kisses that were kind of uncalled for" and she was sometimes uncomfortable with the way he stared at her.

"He shot a dog in front of us, made me eat my own rabbit for dinner, things like that," she told "The Early Show."

Rudy and Nancy Montoya had spotted Mitchell walking with two people in Sandy, a Salt Lake City suburb, and Rudy Montoya said he recognized the man from television reports.

The Montoyas called police just as Anita and Alvin Dickerson drove past the trio, had the same thought about Mitchell and stopped their car. Anita said she walked up to the man and looked him in the eye.

"I knew it was him from the pictures I had seen on television," she said.

What she didn't realize was that the veiled person walking between the two adults was Elizabeth. "I thought she was an older lady wearing a scarf," Dickerson said.

Sandy Police Chief Stephen Chapman told CNN this morning that Elizabeth did not immediately reveal her identity to police.

"It took some time before we could actually determine that it was her," Chapman said. "Under the circumstances, that was probably very normal.

"I think there's a fear factor that we have to look at."

Chapman said Elizabeth had explained why she was wearing a veil, wig and sunglasses, but he declined to elaborate. He also wouldn't comment on whether she was abused, and said he didn't know if she had tried to escape.

Ed Smart received a call Wednesday from Sandy police, telling him to drive to their headquarters without stopping. Minutes later, he and Elizabeth were reunited.

He called his wife from a police cruiser to tell her the news.

"I said, 'Lois, you're not going to believe this. Elizabeth is in my arms,'" Smart said.

"All of the children out there deserve to come back to their parents the way Elizabeth has come back to us," he said, breaking into tears. "It is nothing but a miracle. I just held her, held her all the way home."

Elizabeth's uncle Dave Smart said she appeared well-fed. She was examined at a hospital and taken home.

"We have Elizabeth, we have the person who took her," Dave Smart said. "You couldn't ask for any better closure than that."

Salt Lake City Police Chief Rick Dinse said investigators were convinced Elizabeth was kidnapped and held against her will.

Police tried to piece together the events of the past nine months, with details emerging that she may have been as far away as California at times and as close as Salt Lake City.

Elizabeth told her father she spent some of the time in San Diego, Chris Thomas said. Witnesses also reported seeing Mitchell and two female companions at a San Diego County grocery store around Christmas.

Daniel Trotta, 24, told The Associated Press that he believed Elizabeth, Mitchell and Barzee stayed in his basement apartment in Salt Lake City for nearly a week in October. Trotta had befriended Mitchell, a customer at the health-food store where he once worked, and invited the couple and the girl who was with them to stay because they had no home.

Mitchell introduced the girl as his daughter, Trotta said. She said little, always wore a veil and made no effort to escape. Trotta said when he asked once for her name, Mitchell ordered the girl not to respond.

Trotta went to police Sunday after he recognized Mitchell on "America's Most Wanted." He said police dusted his apartment for fingerprints Tuesday. A police spokeswoman could not immediately confirm that officers had been to the apartment.

Mitchell's relatives have described him as a self-proclaimed prophet and outdoorsman who has lived in a teepee in mountains outside the city.

Elizabeth's mother, Lois Smart, said in February that she met Mitchell in downtown Salt Lake City when he asked her for money. She gave him $5 and hired him to help her husband repair their home's roof in November 2001. He worked at the home for about five hours. Seven months later, Elizabeth disappeared.

Police initially focused on another handyman who worked for the Smarts, Richard Ricci, who denied being involved in Elizabeth's disappearance. He died in August while in prison on a parole violation.

The Smart family grew increasingly critical of police for focusing too much on Ricci. In mid-October, Mary Katherine, Elizabeth's 10-year-old sister who was the sole witness to the abduction, told her parents she thought Mitchell — known then to the family as Emmanuel — could have been the one who took Elizabeth.

Mitchell's sister called law enforcement after the Smart family held a news conference Feb. 3 to circulate an artist's sketch of the man and provided a photo of her brother.

The day Elizabeth was found, her family renewed its call for a national "Amber Alert" system to swiftly notify the public of missing children through the media. On Thursday, Ed Smart challenged House leaders to push through a national bill.

[EmmaPeel]

Now we know they're ex-mormons....

And can you imagine what Elizabeth's mom is thinking, since she let him into the house? It's amazing that the little sister remembered him as he only worked there one day for five hours.


Elizabeth May Have Been Taken to Be a Replacement Daughter
BY PEGGY FLETCHER STACK
© 2003, THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE

The small-framed, big-bearded man called himself Emmanuel and wandered the streets of Salt Lake City in white robes and linen cap, sandals and a walking staff.

Emmanuel, now suspected of kidnapping Elizabeth Smart when she was 14, looked and spoke like a modern-day prophet, panhandling and preaching to the homeless as if he were a messenger from God.

"Sometimes he was a little incoherent," said Pamela Atkinson, a long-time homeless advocate in Salt Lake City who had many conversations with Emmanuel. "He was more of a talker than a listener."

The eccentric man didn't cause trouble, said Andrew Larsen, a salesman at Edinburgh Castle Scottish Imports on Main Street. "I just thought he was trying to dress up like Jesus to appeal to the emotions of people."

Emmanuel is a Hebrew name for Jesus; the would-be messiah began life as Brian David Mitchell in a suburban Salt Lake City neighborhood.

Mitchell, 49, attended Skyline High School in the 1970s, was a devout member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, married and fathered four children.

Then things fell apart.

He and his wife divorced, and in the late 1980s, Mitchell married Wanda Ilene Barzee, who had several children of her own. Barzee's daughter, Louree Gayler, was 12 at the time, and her new stepfather made her uncomfortable.

"He was kissing and holding me the wrong way," Gayler said Wednesday. "But he never molested me because he wanted to see his other kids."

Gayler says she endured the situation for three years, then went to live with her father.

Mitchell may have kidnapped Elizabeth to "give my mom back something she lost," Gayler said. "Elizabeth resembles me at 15."

Gayler's brother, Mark Thompson, a 32-year-old construction worker in Salt Lake City, agrees.

His mom "freaked out" when Gayler left home, Thompson told The New York Times. "I remember her saying, 'How dare my baby leave me?' Maybe she felt like she needed to replace a child."

Thompson said his mother for years carried around dolls, pretending they were alive. He said she had also been forcibly removed from a local hospital -- as recently as last year -- "for touching other people's kids."

After "America's Most Wanted" aired a segment about Mitchell as a possible suspect in Elizabeth's disappearance, Thompson contacted police and helped look for his stepfather.

"We just knew it was him," he told The Times. "I've never liked the guy and felt he's always had something to do with this. I'm having a hard time breathing right now."

Long before, Mitchell had lost touch with his Mormon faith. LDS Church records indicate that he and Wanda were excommunicated, said spokesman Michael Otterson.

C. Samuel West, a self-described medical researcher in Orem, allowed the couple to live with him on and off for several months in the late 1990s. During their stay, West says he tried to convince them to return to the LDS Church.

"When I started talking to him about the church, he took off," West said Wednesday.

But some months later Mitchell and his wife returned. This time he was wearing his robes and telling tales of a hand-made cart he pulled across the Golden Gate Bridge. The two called themselves "David" [pronouncing it "Daw-veed"] and "Eliza [pronounced "Ell-is-a"].

West dubbed Mitchell and his wife "my little Israelites," and marveled as they meticulously built a covered wagon on the back porch.

"He felt he was playing the role of Jesus," West said. Mitchell told him that "giving anything to him was like giving it to Jesus."

After several months the Wests could no longer afford to support the Mitchells, and the couple went on their way. That left Mitchell without work, so he turned to panhandling and handyman services.

In August 2001, a kind homemaker employed him for a day -- Elizabeth's mother, Lois Smart.

[rd]

Something is very strange here. This guy works outside for five hours and probably came into the house, but nine months later he returns in the middle of the night and can get into the house and find this girl who was not even in her own bedroom? Elizabeth meets him downstairs after she goes back to get her shoes? Mary Katherine remembers this guy two years later after he worked there? And remembers just about the same time this dude just happens to return to SLC?

I'm not that gullible yet, folks. Also, I believe Ricci went and got the Jeep a couple of days after Elizabeth was kidnapped, so staying close by for a day or two would fit that timeline. On the other hand, if the preacher had a vehicle and she was in it from the beginning, then Ricci and his Jeep wouldn't have necessarily been involved.

Ricci was much closer to Ekizabeth and had a key to the house. He was a heroin addict, and the preacher had also been treated for drug addiction. I think drug addicts hangng around on the streets make deals, and I think Elizabeth was dealed myself.

rd

[peripeteia]

Well this is wonderful news and gotta say slightly more than crazy. I never thought that this young girl was dead, and luckily she is not. Oh what she must have suffered, not to mention the anguish of her parents.
rd, I agree with you that this story doesn't seem to follow. Gee and the fallout is that Ricci is dead. I can't help but believe that Ricci did not have something to do with this, given the evidence that was found in his trailer and the jeep mystery. Why would Ricci have taken his life? This is so bizzare. Well as sad as what has happened to Elizabeth, it has a happy ending. Wonder how long this young woman will have to attend therapy?

kate
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A vision sent me on the path of seeking justice for Chandra, nothing I've seen in print to date has diminished the vividness but only served to reaffirm the validity of this vision.

[jane]

Kate and everyone,

I haven't really followed this story until yesterday, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think Ricci took his own life - I thought he died of a cerebral haemorrhage.
_________________
"There is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known."
Christ

[EmmaPeel]

[laskipper]

It's hard to say what motivates a nutcase like Mitchell. Just looking at his picture, you see in his eyes that he is crazy. Which makes me wonder how it is that he could so successfully brainwash Liz Smart.

I think that maybe at the start of this "kidnapping" Liz was agreeable to go with this man. Who knows why, we can only guess and may never hear the truth.

Let's not forget all the homosexual stuff on the 3 Smart brothers' computers. The male dating services and so on. Wasn't there a connection with the first drifter that slept in his car near the Smart house (and Ed Smart)? Makes you wonder about all of this.

The in the middle of all the tension over Lizzie being kidnapped, Lois Smart has a facelift. I notice she is looking better on camera these days.

The here's Ed Smart ranting about the Amber Alert. Odd. The whole thing is odd.

[jane]

CNN LARRY KING LIVE

Interviews With Patricia Hearst; Friends, Members of Smart Family

Aired March 13, 2003 - 21:00 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

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ED SMART, ELIZABETH SMART'S FATHER: It's real. It's real.

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LARRY KING, CNN HOST: Tonight, Elizabeth Smart's miraculous return and her ordeal. We'll speak with members of the Smart family and they'll tell us how Elizabeth's doing and what she's had to say about what she went through.

Plus, the Smart's family's bishop, Bishop David Hamblin of the Mormon Church. He prayed with the Smarts and counseled them through nine months of agony.

But first: exclusive. Patricia Hearst, the most famous kidnap victim of our time, will give us an idea of what captivity may have been like for Elizabeth.

All next on LARRY KING LIVE

On February 4, 1974 -- 74 Patricia Hearst was kidnapped from her Berkeley apartment, a student at the University of California at Berkeley, imprisoned in the closet, sexually assaulted, eventually involved in the SLA robbery of a bank in San Francisco. You know the story.

Patricia Hearst joins us tonight with a unique personal perspective on Elizabeth's kidnapping. First, what do you think it must be like for her right now?

PATRICIA HEARST, KIDNAP VICTIM: Right now, I'd say she is very confused. And even though she's back with her family, which is far and away the best thing for her, because that -- the closeness of her family and being back with them is what's going on bring her, you know, back to being truly herself.

It's going to take a while. I think that she still believes that her kidnappers have some kind of control over her and it's going to take at least, at least a couple of weeks being away from them and back safely with her family before she realizes that they have no more powers, that she's truly safe.

And I know for me, the moment when -- it was a longer time, but the moment when I really, really felt the ultimate relief was when I saw them in a courtroom, and that was when I knew for sure that they could never, ever hurt me again.

KING: All right. But was there a time, since you associated and participating with them in events where this Stockholm Syndrome sets in, where you believe your captors?

HEARST: Well, you know, she was taken out of her bedroom, you know, at knife point, terrorized, tortured -- and there's no question in my mind that she was tortured. She's a little, you know, 14-year- old baby and you have someone who took her, robbed her of the identity that she was in the process of developing. You know, that's a very, very rough age for a child. You know, 14, 15, 16.

She's got to now kind of start over and she's also come home, you know, into a family where the dynamic that they had before her kidnapping has changed dramatically. She's come into a family now that has spent nine months totally focused toward getting her back to them. In that nine months she's been, you know, certainly mentally abused and certainly physically abused. You know, he had her hiding her places, dressing -- you know, dressing her the way he wanted her. You know, telling her, I'm sure, you know -- I'm going to kill you. You're not safe. I'll kill your family And he certainly knew the house, the family where everybody was, who they were. She's got to work back into that family dynamic again and it all has to try to form a new normalcy.

KING: The question, Patricia, most people ask -- it been asked of you a hundred times, but it's more relevant today than it was a couple months ago, when your case dimmed and this case is now in front of us. Why didn't she run away?

HEARST: I'm sorry?

KING: She -- why didn't she run away?

HEARS: Oh, I thought -- sorry. I thought you said she ran away from home.

KING: No, why didn't she run away. She was found on the street, walking down the street. Run up to a cop.

HEARST: Yes, you can't do that. It's impossible.

KING: Why?

HEARST: Because you have been so abused and so robbed of your free will and so frightened that you believe -- you come to a point where you believe any lie your abductor has told you. You don't feel safe. You think that either you will be killed if you reach out to get help. You believe that your family will be killed. You're not even thinking about trying to get help anymore. You've in a way, given up. You have absorbed this new, you know, identity that they've given you. You're just surviving. You're not even doing that, really. You're just living while everything else is going on around you. KING: All right. Now, there are even -- there were even pictures taken of them apparently fairly recently. The two suspects and her at a party somewhere.

HEARST: What kind of party was that?

KING: I know. Think of it. Now, you -- because she must have mingled with people. They weren't just the three of them together. They were with other people. He was in jail for six days. How do you explain that?

HEARST: Well, the party, I would say, his friends and I know the SLA had people around them. And why would you reach out to people clearly that were his friends, people he trusted to take you in there.

KING: So you think other people knew...

HEARST: It's not even an issue.

KING: Other people knew that he had taken her. Other people -- friends of his would have known that Ms. Smart is his victim?

HEARST: No. I think that other people would -- I think she believes that if she had told these other people that he had kidnapped her that they would have told him that.

KING: Oh.

HEARST: And frankly, I even believed that. I would -- I would be very frightened to just tell, you know, clearly what were his friends a thing like that.

KING: All right. How do you explain...

HEARST: These are not the people you would reach out to and I don't know about the six days. For all I know, he had left her locked in the trunk of a car while he was in jail.

The best case scenario is that she wasn't locked in a box and tucked under a bed or stuffed into a basement, but that she was left with, you know, his wife. We don't know what she was going through in those six days. She could have been buried in somebody's backyard.

KING: Should Elizabeth get an attorney?

HEARST: Yes. Absolutely. She needs an attorney.

KING: Why?

HEARST: She needs an attorney for several reasons.

On is -- and the most important reason at this point, is to keep the investigators in line, because they are, at this point, only interested in prosecuting the people who kidnapped her, which very admirable it is, however, there needs to be a limit on who has access to this child. She's very, vulnerable. Everybody is going to be -- you know, want to be able to say, Oh, I went in and I interviewed her and they're not going to be careful and cautious. If they administer psychological or psychiatric examination or physical examinations, I would be very concerned that there is no privilege between, you know, this child and those doctors and in fact, at the time of trial, it's possible that -- that the defense could then say, Well, you know, the prosecution's given these tests. We want our doctors to give her these tests, too. And then she's subjected to, you know, potentially an abuse as bad or worse than the abuse that she received while she was at the hands of her kidnapper.

Also, I think it's a good idea just in terms of the press. The press is getting -- well, you know, it's all about the sex isn't it? They're out of control.

KING: All about the sex. You mean they're implying that she was sexually harmed?

HEARST: Yes. I think it's more than implying. I think...

KING: Should she tell everything that happened to her?

HEARST: I can say if it were my daughter, there simply be no sexual abuse. That would be it. And that...

KING: But she might have to testify to that at a trial, though, right?

HEARST: She needs a lawyer, and I guess if they want to subpoena her and force her, you know, maybe they could. I think there's no reason why we have to know about something like this. This is a little 15-year-old girl. She's going to grow up. She's going to be, you know, 25, 45, 65. She doesn't need to have this.

I mean, I have visions of the day of her wedding, you know -- Remember, Elizabeth Smart she was the one that -- it's just totally unreasonable.

KING: In other words, it has no relation to the kidnapping. She can testify to being kidnapped and being held. She doesn't have to say anything else. Is that your point?

HEARST: Well, I think life in prison is life in prison. And also, I think we should keep in mind there will probably be two trials, one state, one federal. She's going to be beginning a very long, horrible ordeal. She really does need counsel to help her get through this, because as loving and, you know, truly lovely as her parents seem to be, they're thinking everything good is going to happen from here on out and it's potentially could be very, very bad for this little girl, and they need a lawyer who can get in between investigators and the daughter and lay rules.

KING: Well stated. Let me get a break. We'll be back with more of Patricia Hearst. We will take phone calls for Patricia Hearst.

Later, members of the family as well as the family's bishop. You're watching LARRY KING LIVE. We'll be right back.

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E. SMART: I could not believe it. I absolutely could not believe it. I saw her sitting there on the sofa. She was sitting there with her arms folded. I just went up and I just grabbed her and held her and was crying and crying and crying and I said, Is it really you? And she said, Yes.

And I just -- not many words were said, but a lot of emotion was felt. And I just can't thank enough those people who were willing to come forward with tips and otherwise to help us and I thank you so much.

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CAPT. RICK DINSE, SALT LAKE CITY POLICE: There's no question that at the time of the abduction she was in fear and was fearful for a period of time. The other part of the question is the whether she had compassion for them. Again, she was psychologically affected by this abduction and by this imprisonment. And to say that she could be -- walk around in a free area where she could have walked away is to say that she was affect by them psychologically.

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KING: Patricia Hearst, what advice would you give to the family?

HEARST: You know, I think they're doing everything they can. They're being gentle and wonderful and they're not forcing her to do things that she shouldn't be doing like just bringing her out in front of the media. And I know that they want to take her picture and see her with the family, but it's really inappropriate at this time to do that. She's in an extremely fragile, mental condition at this point.

KING: She looks very good, though. We see pictures of her smiling with her family. She looks robust, in fact.

HEARST: She's a beautiful girl. I mean, you know, that's all fine. But they'll know in terms of bringing her out.

And, you know, she shouldn't be talking to the press, though. She should be with her family.

KING: Supposedly she had her arms crossed when she first saw her father. You read anything into that?

HEARST: Well yes. I heard that before the last break. And to me it's very disturbing to me it's to hear that she was sitting kind of hunched up in a ball all drawn in on herself. And I know that feeling very well. I spent a few weeks just curled up in a ball.

KING: What does it say to you?

HEARST: It say that everything is internalized. All of her feelings and all of her emotions are being held inside of her and she needs time to begin to open up again, and to feel like she's free and able to be herself.

(CROSSTALK)

HEARST: It's going to be a new self for her, too. She's changed forever by this.

KING: She'll always be the girl who, right?

HEARST: No. It's not that. It's because the experiences that she's gone through have just changed her. And she's just never going to be the same, trusting person.

KING: Right. She's going to be suspicious of things, right?

HEARST: Yes. She's going to be very suspicious and for very, very good reason.

KING: Will she ever feel totally safe?

HEARST: I would be extremely surprised if she ever went and, you know, saw a homeless man in the street and said, you know, oh, Mommy, you know, let's do something to help him. She won't be bringing someone home to work a roof.

KING: Are you overly protective of your children?

HEARST: I'm not sure what the bar is that we're judging that by.

KING: Well in your own opinion.

HEARST: No, in my own opinion I think I am reasonably protective. I can't force fears that I have on them. I can explain concerns that I have about certain things. And, of course, they know what happened to me so they understand if they think I'm maybe being a little over the top. But, you know, I try to not inflicts what happened to me on to them and project it so that they have to live through that.

KING: What about media exploitation? Somebody's going to make a movie of this. Someone or police officer might want to sell it as a story right? I mean, you've got to expect this. Fact of life.

HEARST: Yes. How sad is that? Which is another good reason to limit access to her and another good reason for her to have her own representation with legal counsel.

Because I will bet right now at least two will sell this story of the interviewers. At least one will be a creative consultant on the made for TV movie and another at least one is going to be on one of these cable news networks where it will say "former investigator in the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping" and -- yes. They're going to take advantage of the situation and exploit it.

KING: What will that do to her?

HEARST: She'll be furious, I'm sure and frustrated and feel used and and -- there's really nothing you can do about that.

KING: We'll take a break, come back and we'll take your phone calls for Patricia Hearst.

Later we'll meet family members as well as the family's bishop from their own ward in Salt Lake. We'll be right back.

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E. SMART: Last night when we got her home we did a few things. Everyone was pleading with her to get on the harp, and she struggled through a couple of pieces. Says, well it's been nine months! But it was absolutely wonderful to hear her play.

We spent some time together watching her favorite video which is "Trouble With Angels". And it's just -- it's unbelievable.

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KING: By the way, Patricia Hearst was given a presidential pardon by Bill Clinton hours before he left office. And we go to Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. Hello.

CALLER: Hi, Larry.

KING: Hi.

CALLER: First of all, I am so thrilled that that young girl is home. I, too, am a Later-Day Saint and it is an answer to prayer and it is a blessing.

My question for Ms. Hearst is were you deprogrammed when you finally got free, and if you were, do you think that would be of any benefit for Elizabeth Smart?

KING: Good question.

HEARST: By deprogrammed you mean did I have someone come in to convince me that -- that these people...

KING: Yes.

HEARST: I think not that way. I had a psychologist who was incredibly good and it -- it wasn't a deprogramming per se because once I got away from these people I realized, you know -- and with her help, too, but you realize on your own that you don't have to the things that they've been telling you think. You don't have to participate in the disciplining of your mind to not have thoughts that they disapprove of. You do really remarkable and frightening things to yourself when you're under the control of people like this. And...

KING: She will need a good psychologist.

HEARST: She'll need a really good psychologist who can also work with the family. Although it's possible that the bishop could be just as helpful, you know? I don't know. They'll know how to deal with this. The family will be able to make these decisions.

KING: Memphis, Tennessee for Patricia Hearst. Hello.

CALLER: Yes, hi. I was just calling. Patricia Hearst, it's just amazing to have you on the phone. I followed your class closely I graduated in 1975 from high school so I was intensely into your ordeal.

KING: What's your question?

CALLER: I was wondering about her family's strong faith in god. It amazed me from the beginning of this ordeal. And I wanted to ask you what do you think the repercussions will be for Elizabeth if her family does not seek psychiatric help for her?

HEARST: You know, that's really hard to say because they're a very close family. It depends. I think they ought to have definitely some kind of psychological help for her.

KING: What's your read on...

HEARST: Someone chosen by the family and...

KING: What's your read on how strong their faith and was is?

HEARST: Well, that obviously helped keep the family together. I have to say that to me getting Elizabeth back was not so much the power of prayer, which is what kept the family so strong and so united and so determined, but getting her back was more the power of "America's Most Wanted" or something. They're just putting out the picture of the man that their youngest daughter said he did it. And they believed her. They did everything they could.

KING: Yes.

HEARST: And following what they believed was the truth.

KING: Burlington, North Carolina. Hello.

CALLER: Hello. Larry, I followed the case, too, of Miss Hearst when that happened to her. Weren't you physically abused and if she was, will she ever get over it?

HEARST: I think it will be a lot -- If she were abuse and, yes, I was and knowing now what I knew then, I just wouldn't even tell anybody about it. The questioning was so brutal. It was horrific, and it just isn't worth it, you know.

(CROSSTALK) KING: What's the effect of physical abuse?

HEARST: You know, I think the mental abuse, I hate to say it, is more horrific than the physical abuse. Down the road, 20 years down the road she could suffer a trauma that could trigger another post- traumatic stress response to this kidnapping, and be thrown into a terrible depression that she would need serious psychiatric counseling for. And you know, you kind of never get over that. And you know, the physical is -- you know, you weren't saying hey, baby, come on. That was a lot easier to get over it than the mental and emotional abuse.

KING: St. Louis, hello. I'm sorry, I didn't hit the button.

St. Louis, hello.

CALLER: Hi, Patty. I wanted to know if you think about what happened to you every day and how has it affected your family?

HEARST: I don't think about it every day. I do think about it on a regular basis, though because there -- you know -- not always, but there can be something that will trigger a memory or, you know, certainly when a case like this happens and you know, when there's a kidnapping, I think about it much more frequently.

KING: Smyrna, Georgia, hello.

CALLER: Hello, Patricia. I was wondering if you could tell us a little more about your own healing process and how long it took for you to build a sense of normalcy and whether or not your spiritual beliefs contributed to your healing process.

HEARST: Well, I think the healing process really -- the most important aspect of that was being with my family. That's when the real healing took place. I was, you know, put in jail and imprisoned for many months after my kidnappers had abducted me. And they held me for 18 months and then I think I was another 14 months in prison before I was able to be home with my family.

And, you know, psychological help from a trained psychologist or psychiatrist is fine, but you really have to be with your family to get over that kind of trauma. Luckily, you know, Elizabeth is home with her family now. and this was a very, very close, loving, you know, wonderful family. They just, from what you see on the television, these are the perfect parents. I mean, I think she couldn't have a better place, you know, to be home and healing in.

KING: We'll take a break and be back with more moments with Patricia Hearst, some more phone calls and then we'll meet members of the family and the Bishop David Hamlin, the family's bishop. As we go to break, let's go back through the years, and hear a conversation between Patty and her mother after the kidnapping.

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HEARST: Mom? Dad? I'm, OK. CATHERINE HEARST, PATTY HEARST'S MOTHER: We love you, Patty. And we're all praying for you. I'm sorry I'm crying, but I'm happy you're safe.

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E. SMART: It's real! It's real! I can't begin to tell you how happy I am, what an absolute miracle and answer to prayers this has been. God lives. He is there. He answers prayers, and the prayers of the world have brought Elizabeth home.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: We're back with Patricia Hearst. South El Monte, California, hello

CALLER: Hello, Larry. Hello, Patricia.

KING: Hi.

CALLER: I just want to say my thoughts and prayers go out with the Smart family. What a blessing they experienced.

But my question is for Patricia. Did you need any kind of psychological counseling and are you still in counseling as of today?

HEARST: No, I'm not in counseling as of today. I have had to have counseling since the event. You know, it was almost 30 years ago, and, yes, I did have it.

KING: Yes.. Chicago, hello.

CALLER: Hi.

Ms. Hearst, do you wish that the AMBER alert was in effect when you were abducted? And if so, are you going rally behind the Smart family to see that this gets passed. Because 1974 to 2003 -- I mean, what has changed?

HEARST: Well, I mean, some state do have it. I do think there should be a national AMBER alert. I don't like the idea that it's just being dragged around and ignored because it's got too much other fat attached to this bill. And yes, I do support it.

KING: Toronto, Canada, for Patricia Hearst, hello.

CALLER: Good evening, Larry.

KING: Hi.

CALLER: I know that a lot has been said about victims of crimes such as yours and Elizabeth's becoming somewhat compassionate or at least understanding of their captors. Did it have a long lasting effect on you, Patty, and if so, did you think that it will influence about what Elizabeth will or won't say about them in terms of the testimony at trial?

KING: Good question.

HEARST: Well, it only -- they exert influence over you while they have power over you. Now that power extends for awhile after you've been rescued, but within a few weeks you realize they no longer have that power and no, it will not -- excuse me -- influence her testimony at trial. She'll testify truthfully.

KING: Can you explain the power while it's happening?

HEARST: Well, you're so terrorized...

KING: Just by threats or what makes you...

HEARST: I'm sorry.

KING: In other words, are there times that she would begin to believe these people -- we'll ask the bishop about it in a couple of minutes -- but these people were excommunicated from her church. Would you begin to think that she was led to have their same religious thoughts during this period? Would she join them in that?

HEARST: Well, I think that certainly while she was, you know, held by them she's going to parrot whatever it was she told her to say. In terms of actually believing them, people who, you know, pick up these beliefs and truly absorb them are people who seek out these kinds of beliefs.

My kidnappers all got together. They lived in different parts of the country. They found each other because they had similar beliefs. So, you know, Elizabeth Smart was home in bed. She wasn't looking for something other than her religion -- but when somebody has a gun or a knife to your head, throat, whatever, you're very willing to tell them what they want to hear, and you will tell them that as long as you have to to stay alive. But that doesn't mean that you truly believe that.

I mean, I guess you believe it in a sense, you know, during the time that they have that physical and mental control over you. But once you're away from that, you get your freedom back to think for yourself.

KING: Schenectady, New York, hello?

CALLER: Hi, yes.

Patricia, I was just wondering if, you know, it follows up with question that was just asked a couple of minutes ago about identifying with her captors. And does she have sympathy, especially with as spiritual and loving as she and her family are, does she have sympathy for her -- for this man and this woman. And although maybe it won't influence her when it comes to trial, is it... KING: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut the call. But I think you got the gist of it. I hit that by mistake. I'm sorry.

HEARST: I think I know where she was going.

And, you know, many times people who have been held hostage say, Well, they were really nice to me and what they really mean is, you know, thank God they didn't kill me.

This won't last in terms of her having some kind of strange sympathy for them at trial. At this point, we don't really know enough about who these people are or what they were doing. They certainly seemed like they had serious psychiatric problems of their own and that no one's paid any attention to those for years. But that's just kind of me looking at pictures and hearing reports, so -- I think in a way, many of us could have some kind of sympathy for people that are -- have deep psychiatric problems, but that doesn't excuse the behavior and what they've done to this child.

KING: Bad Axe, Michigan, hello.

CALLER: Hi, Patty.

I'm wondering how the media speculation affected your recovery and, you know, how, you know, you're doing now and...

HEARST: Well, it's been, really a long time. But it was very difficult for me because that long ago people looked at the kidnap victim, you know, hostage relationship, with the person who held them hostage and they truly didn't understand what goes on to a person who is held hostage over a long period of time. And certainly my abductors had political motives that they were trying to achieve, so it was much harder for me because I was not really viewed as a victim for a very long time.

And in fact, there are aspects of my case that dragged on until just a few months ago. So when my abductors finally pled guilty to crimes that they'd committed, you know in this case, I -- the interest of the media is kind of turning frighteningly salacious at this point and I don't like to see this kind of thing turn into entertainment for the masses.

KING: San Antonio, hello.

CALLER: Hello. I wanted to know what your first few days of capture were like and would you remind us of how you were captured?

HEARST: Captured?

KING: They want to know -- refresh them how you were taken.

HEARST: Well, I was at home in my apartment and, you know, I was -- I had done homework and was watching television and I was yanked out of there in a hail of machine gunfire and hit in the face with a machine gun, dragged down a flight of stairs outside and thrown in the trunk of a car, blindfolded, gagged, questioned. They called it an interrogation, and it was weeks of sensory deprivation and, you know, other physical abuse and -- and then indoctrination because they -- they had political motive.

KING: To Parsons, Tennessee, hello.

CALLER: Hello. Ms. Hearst, it's good to see you doing so well. I was wondering since you're so adamant about the Smart family hiring an attorney, did your family have an attorney for you when you were arrested or released from your kidnappers?

HEARST: Well, I mean, yes, because I was placed under arrest.

Normally, a victim doesn't get arrested, but we don't even need to go there for this one. You have a 14-year-old girl who is the victim of a violent crime and, unfortunately, the men and women who are now, you know, charged with the task of prosecuting her kidnappers aren't really going to be paying quite as much attention to this child and what her needs are as they perhaps should be and overzealous questioning of a girl who's been through what she's been through is not a good thing.

And there's too many people having access to her. You'll have people, you know, release this to the media that shouldn't be released. You know, I'd be very careful. They could be wanting to videotape things. You know, Like I said, any examinations by physicians could spark a wave of, you know, defense motions to have those same exams done by their doctors. She needs protection.

KING: Yes. You've said it eloquently. Thank you so much for doing this, Patricia. We really appreciate it.

HEARST: Well, you know, Larry, I'm happy to be here. And I am so happy for the Smart family.

KING: Patricia Hearst.

And when we come back, three members of the family and the family bishop right after this. Don't go away.

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E. SMART: And I am asking, I'm calling upon all of the Congressmen. I am calling upon everyone out here in the United States to call your congressman. Tell them this legislation needs to come to the floor, stand alone. And that you want it and let them know and let them be accountable. Because they are accountable to us and they don't have the right to work on their own issues.

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KING: Joining us now from Salt Lake City is David Francom. He is Elizabeth's uncle. In the middle is Julie Smart, Elizabeth's aunt and Sierra Smart, Elizabeth's 22-year-old cousin.

Also there in the studios are bishop David Hamblim. Bishop, for the ward of the Mormon Church which to which the family of the Smarts belongs, that he counseled and prayed with the Smarts throughout the abduction ordeal. We'll talk to him in a moment.

David Francom, have you seen your niece?

DAVID FRANCOM, ELIZABETH'S UNCLE: I have. She looks wonderful.

KING: All three of you have seen her and been with her?

(CROSSTALK)

KING: Is she showing any after signs at all, Julie, of the ordeal she went through? Any trauma at all?

JULIE SMART, ELIZABETH'S AUNT: Not really that I can tell. She seems a little subdued, but she still has that great smile and (UNINTELLIGIBLE) her eyes. It was great to see her today and actually touch her. It's just been a wonderful, wonderful day.

KING: Were people, Sierra, asking her questions about what happened or that was for later?

SIERRA SMART, ELIZABETH'S COUSIN: Asking what happened with...

KING: You know, while she was away, where she was, what happened.

S. SMART: Well, we're not really talking to her about that right now at all. It's just stuff like, oh, my gosh, we missed you so much and we love you. We don't want to touch on anything. I mean that could have serious effects on everything. I mean, we don't even want to touch on that and she's, you know. And she's just happy to see us all and we're just happy to see her. We're not even past that point yet.

KING: I understand.

David Francom, how does she look?

FRANCOM: She looks good. Nine months older. I think she's put on a little weight. She'll probably hate me for saying that.

(LAUGHTER)

FRANCOM: But, no, it's just been nonstop smiles and hugs from yesterday to today.

KING: Bishop Hamblin, you counseled this family. They worship with you in the ward. What do you make of them? I guess all of America, the world is a little surprised at how they've handled this. What can you tell us about how they've dealt with this?

BISHOP DAVID HAMBLIN, SMART FAMILY BISHOP: Well, I think they're people of extraordinary faith. I think they're realistic people. They understand the world in which they live. They understand bad things can happen to good people. They have a very supportive family, involved family, very supportive community. They feed off of their family and the community and their faith and this is what helps them get through this kind of thing.

KING: Did they worship every Sunday with you throughout all this?

HAMBLIN: Yes they worshipped every Sunday. The children came and participated in the youth programs, the primary programs. And Ed is a counselor and the bishopric (ph) so he participated in the administration of the ward. Not quite at 100 percent, but enough that he had been able to help out greatly in spite of what he had and what was going through.

KING: Did they require personal counseling?

HAMBLIN: Yes, they did. They had counseling from psychologists and psychiatrists. And then they had counseling -- I met with them several times, particularly Ed. And they met with other church leaders.

And they received -- Ed would basically call from time to time and said I'm just having a really bad day. I need to talk. And he'd come and talk for an hour and then he'd want a blessing so that he could deal with this and move on.

And then when he got through, he'd stand up and give me a big hug and he'd say I feel better. I'm ready to go on. Try another day.

KING: The suspects, we are told, David Mitchell and Wanda Barzee were once Mormons and were ex-communicated. Can you explain what that is?

HAMBLIN: Well, it means that their membership in the church has been terminated. Their names had been removed from the official records of the church.

The first presidency put out a notice today, a couple of lines, I can read it if you'd like me to...

KING: Sure.

HAMBLIN: ... but it just basically said -- it says, "Neither Brian David Mitchell nor his wife Wanda Ileen Mitchell are members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or are affiliated with it in any way. Both are former church members who were ex- communicated for activity promoting bizarre teachings and lifestyle farfield (ph) from the principles and doctrines of the church."

That came from the first presidency of the church.

KING: Simply put, they were ask to leave the church.

HAMBLIN: Yes. And they didn't believe in the principles so there was no reason for them to still belong, either.

KING: We'll take a break and come back with more with the family and the bishop.

As we go to break, here's the 9-1-1 call that led to the recovery of Elizabeth Smart. Listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you tell me if this where I call if I think I see that Emmanuel they're looking for?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is. Where do you think you've seen him at?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think he is right here across from South Town Mall on State Street and he's walking -- he's walking toward town. So he's walking north. And he's with two ladies.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does he have a robe on?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He has, like, like a bit of something on. They're carrying sleeping bags and bags. And he's got a big, bushy beard, a mustache. The women have got something over their head. I'm trying to -- they look like they're definitely homeless people. Homeless, gray-haired one -- I can't tell. She got her head just, like, covered.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

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KING: Let's get a quick call in.

Bossier City, Louisiana, hello.

CALLER: I was wondering if the family has made any statements such as when Elizabeth would be returning to normal activity, such as school and that sort of thing.

KING: David, what do you know? David Francom.

FRANCOM: Too soon to know. She's been talking to return to school and wants to return back to her normal activities, but at this point, I don't know if we have an idea of when that might happen.

KING: Do you worry, Julie, that is say, if she were to go to school next week she'd have nothing but camera crews following her around, and she'd be the subject of media intensity.

J. SMART: Yes. I think that's a very real worry. We just want her to be able to function, and have some time to recover and recuperate and hopefully get on with the normal life at some point.

KING: Do you think, Sierra, she might take the advice of what Patricia Hearst,said, and get a lawyer and get psychological counseling, as well?

S. SMART: Well I -- you know, we're just taking it as we go and seeing what Elizabeth needs the most. But I assume we'll have all kinds of the best treatment that what we assess she needs. We'll have the best for her and I think that's pretty logical that she will have that.

FRANCOM: I'm quite certain she will.

KING: Yes. Bishop, you know her quite well, do you not, bishop Hamblin?

HAMBLIN: I've been in this position for a year and a half. I know her. I'm close friends with her grand parents and I've known her and interviewed her a couple of times. So, I feel I know her fairly well.

KING: We've heard family members a lot.

How would you describe her?

HAMBLIN: Well, I think she's a remarkable young woman. She's engage individual levels. She's a fantastic friend. There's all sorts of stories about how she reaches out to other friends and includes those who failed her on the outside. She's a wonderful musician. She's engaged in church activities. She has faith. She's an amazing woman. I just -- I think she'll be able to get through this. We don't know how long it will take, but I have a lot of faith that she'll be able to get through. And I hope that she'll have a normal life.

KING: When do you plan to see her?

HAMBLIN: Soon. I talked to Ed a couple of times a day and I hope to see her in the next day or two.

KING: Now David...

(CROSSTALK)

KING: I'm sorry, go ahead, bishop.

HAMBLIN: I just say, we counsel with our youth. As the bishop I counsel with youth twice a year. They come in for an in depth interview. We talk about schooling and friends and the church. That's how I know Elizabeth and know all of the youth in the ward.

KING: Julie, she's not going to go back to school -- back to church any time soon, is she, because she'll be followed there too, won't she?

J. SMART: I would think so, but I do not know what their plans are.

But -- some day, yes.

KING: David Francom, what if anything, surprised you the most about Elizabeth Smart now?

FRANCOM: She seems more mature. So much more poised, really, around adults, around her peers. I mean, she's always been poised. I don't mean to say she's different that way, but she was very open, very willing to hug and just be so excited to be around everybody.

KING: What surprised you, Sierra?

S. SMART: I think the same thing. I mean, the second I walked in the door there were all kinds of people in there. And I was kind of looking for her. And as soon as I saw her I just grabbed her and hugged her. But I guess I'm just surprised at not seeing her in nine months, obviously, she looks a lot older and she does act a lot older. And It's a little bit different talking to her just because she's older, and we've missed nine months of her life -- I don't know, we're just so excited.

KING: You can't that back.

Julie, what surprised you?

J. SMART: Well, we decided to have an impromptu birthday party and we started singing to her. And she was just so excited and we grabbed balloons and ran outside and she came with us and wasn't afraid to be out with us. And we were cheering and dancing and we let the balloons go, and just celebrated and I was just so pleased to see her happy.

KING: Do you view this, bishop, as answered prayers?

HAMBLIN: Yes. I -- that's a very difficult question. I think the faith and prayer has had an influence here. I think the family was at this stage before she was found, willing to accept any outcome, because they have a higher faith that they believe there's a god that's in charge of this universe, this earth and they're willing to leave things in his hands. Obviously, they're just thrilled that these prayers were answered this way. But do we know of many people whose prayers are not answered this way and we feel sorry for them and we wish comfort for them.

KING: Thank you all very much, David Francom, Julie Smart, Sierra Smart, give Elizabeth our best from all of us here at CNN.

We all thank you.

KING: Bishop David Hamblin, the bishop for the ward, the Mormon church to which the Smart family belongs to. We thank you very much.

We'll come back in a minute and tell you what's coming up tomorrow night on LARRY KING LIVE," don't go away.

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KING: Tomorrow night more on the miraculous recovery of Elizabeth Smart and a special visit with actor Don Johnson.

Mr. Johnson was stopped in Germany recently with an awful lot of money in his possession. He'll tell us what that was all about tomorrow night.
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Thanks for the artcle Jane, Patty Hearst sounds very impressive, this is the first interview that I've seen her give...she has alot of insight.

Pardon for the misquote about Ricci, I forgot that he died of an anuresym, just thought of him dying suddenly...amazing what one can forget,,,thanks for bringing this to my attention
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It is said they lived in the canyon for the summer and then went to San Diego by bus. This is a canyon that was searched repeatedly starting from the very beginning. What, they walked there and the dogs couldn't track her? I don't believe any of this, and I think Ricci loaned them the Jeep and helped them get away. The neighbors on a nearby street were woken by their dogs barking and a scream from what they believed to be a passing car. It's irrelevant now, he'd dead, the two crazies are in jail for life, and Elizabeth is home, so case closed... on a good note for once.

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[EmmaPeel]

It's getting all so very weird. I'm a bit uncomfortable about the reporting. They all seem to be jumping on the bandwaggon hinting that she might be a runaway. My concern is what this reporting (particulary if untrue) is going to do to Elizabeth and that they're going to turn HER into a villian rather than victim. Not to mention give the defense attorney a lot of wiggle room. I think the papers need to back of the psychological motivation until some time has passed.

If NBC and other "mainstream" press are starting up, I can only imagine what stories tabloids are going to do. What this report fails to mention in her denial to the police about her identity was that one cop said, "Her heart was beating so hard you could see it through her chest."


XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX THU MARCH 13, 2003 20:02:38 ET XXXXX

'YOU THINK I AM THE GIRL WHO RAN AWAY,' SMART TOLD COP

"You guys think I'm that Elizabeth Smart girl who ran away," Elizabeth Smart challenged police officer Bill O'Neal the moment she was found by authorities.

Smart's startling words have ignited a firestorm around Salt Lake City: Was the teen unknowingly conveying the unthinkable -- she deliberately ran away from home?!

While local and federal authorities work on the likely premise the girl was taken by force and later brainwashed, questions of a possible runaway scenario began to creep into the picture, sources said late Thursday.

One top federal source said the case remains "utterly baffling."

Just as NBC reported teen Elizabeth had a "ceremonial marriage" to the drifter on the night she went missing.

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Dressed in a wig, veil and sunglasses, Smart told the police officers who discovered her Wednesday in the Salt Lake City suburb of Sandy that her name was "Augustine." She said that the couple accompanying her - Brian Mitchell and his wife, Wanda Barzee - were her parents.

But police became suspicious of the young girl who kept calling herself "Augustine".

“She said she's a child from God, a minister of the Church of Christ and she along with her parents are passing on the gospel throughout the United States," said officer Victor Quesada.

Smart became agitated when officers asked her to remove her wig and sunglasses, and told them she recently had eye surgery.

"She kind of just blurted out, 'I know who you think I am. You guys think I'm that Elizabeth Smart girl who ran away,''' officer O'Neal said.

For nearly 30-minutes, she denied she was Elizabeth.

She expressed concern about what would happen to the man and woman she had been living with.

[Is it possible for someone who has been completely brainwashed to simply rebound hours later? The family said Elizabeth shared hugs and jokes with her parents and siblings just hours after being separated from Mitchell and Barzee. Elizabeth even gave an impromptu harp concert. "She's like totally talking, totally casual," said Elizabeth's cousin, Sierra, 22. "She got all new clothes. She gave a fashion show." One case insider asked: "Just when did the deprogramming occur here?"]

KNIFE OR GUN?

Elizabeth's father, Ed Smart, said the little miss described being taken from her home last June at knife point.

At the time, Elizabeth's sister, Mary Katherine, then 9, said Elizabeth was taken by a man with a gun.

'I remember hearing Mary Katherine saying 'You're not going to find her. A man took her. A man took her with a gun,' Mr. Smart said months after the disappearance.

Unidentified fingerprints found in the bedroom of Elizabeth Smart were compared to 84 thousand fingerprints on record -- including those of suspect Brian David Mitchell -- without a match ever being made, the AP reported late Thursday.

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Meanwhile, intrigue swirls around the period of time Elizabeth Smart stayed in a basement apartment -- a block from a Salt Lake police station!

Elizabeth didn't seem in danger and expressed no fear of her captors, claims the man who rents the studio. He said she had an opportunity to escape the apartment or call police at night.

"I figured she could have called the cops if she wanted,'' Daniel Trotta, 24, told reporters.